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[Tango51]

Hi everyone I've been reading for a while these posts on the 380. I'm not really too impressed by the reliability of this auto by the postings. I currently have one that I have not fired or paid for yet and the serial numbers fall within the group that seems to have issues. This P-380 has night sites and has a polished feed ramp. The owner advised me that this gun has about 50 rounds fired and supposedly had no issues. I can buy it for 400.00 which I think is a good price with the night sites all the paper work and the case. I am going to go shoot it tomorrow and hope that it fires good if it has any issues I will not buy it. I also have a PM 45 that shoots flawless I am impressed with that 45. I have a request can someone please post a picture of how the spring is suppose to be installed in the magazines or point me to a thread that has a pic posted of this. I want to make sure that the spring is in properly for the shoot tomorrow. I really hope that it shoots without issues because I would like to carry it instead of my Kel Tec 380 or my Ruger 380. By the way the Ruger and Kel Tec have shot flawlessly from the beginning. Wish me luck.

[OldLincoln]

To give it the best chance, be sure to lube it according to the Lube Chart in the Kahr-Tech section and wherever it says "Coat" that means rub grease on it. 50 rounds is not broken in so you will face the friction and plenty of lube helps. Also shine up the feed ramp and chamber throat and rub a dab of grease there.

Once break in is achieved all that lube isn't necessary, but it has a ways to go. Also remember there are a lot of Kahr 380s that run flawlessly.

[KahrOwner]

You will not be able to shoot 100 rounds through it without failures! Regardless of how much oil that you pour into it. I'd put money on that. Perhaps not even 30 to 50 without a problem.

IMO this pistol has a LOT of issues and it is without doubt my biggest mistake in any firearm purchase that I have made - ever.

Save yourself a lot of pain if your deal is not yet final - I'd love to unload mine in favor of a properly engineered pistol like a SIG, Glock or S&W for example. You could have mine for less!

Just purchased a SIG P220 Combat that I will collect in 10 days - that one can often shoot 10,000 rounds without a single failure!

Now THAT is what I call reliability.

Bob

[WMD]

Sorry you are having problems kahrowner. I would definitely send it back to Kahr and let them straighten it out. I just shot a brand new P380 a couple of weeks ago and it shot flawlessly. I know there have been some issues but I am not sure that every gun has them. The one I shot was remarkable. I was amazed at the accuracy of the little gun. Every bit as good as my PM9.

Maybe Kahr has the problems sorted out?

Anyway, Tango51, it sounds like you have nothing to lose by trying it out. Just keep in mind, there is a break in period.

[mser]

This past summer mine went back to Kahr one time for a six week hiatus. They replaced the frame as well as updated the striker block and extractor. Since it's return I've put 520 rounds through it. In the first couple hundred rounds I experienced the typical malfunctions; failure to eject, failure to fully feed, failure to fully return to battery, light strike, slide lock open on partially loaded magazine. All malfunctions were experienced with the 7 round magazine and/or WWB and USA ammunition. No malfunctions in the last 320 rounds of PMC, UMC, Speer Gold Dot and Federal Hydra-Shok. Usually fired 50 - 60 rounds in a session. One session fired 100 rounds.

[Tango51]

To give it the best chance, be sure to lube it according to the Lube Chart in the Kahr-Tech section and wherever it says "Coat" that means rub grease on it. 50 rounds is not broken in so you will face the friction and plenty of lube helps. Also shine up the feed ramp and chamber throat and rub a dab of grease there.

Once break in is achieved all that lube isn't necessary, but it has a ways to go. Also remember there are a lot of Kahr 380s that run flawlessly.


I have lubed it real good I cleaned it as well. I will be at the range about 11 am and I'll let you all know how it went. I don't like the idea of a break in period with a gun, other products maybe but not a gun.

[zebraD]

Tango51 I have got to agree with WMD. You have nothing to loose by trying it out before buying it.

Don't let one or two peoples bad experience scare you off. If we all did that, we wouldn't own anything (car, house, computer, etc...). :smash:

[KahrOwner]

This is what I call REAL reliability:

http://www.kiesler.com/videodetail.aspx?id=1277

Also known as "to hell and back" reliability!

Bob

[KahrOwner]

Sorry you are having problems kahrowner. I would definitely send it back to Kahr and let them straighten it out. I just shot a brand new P380 a couple of weeks ago and it shot flawlessly. I know there have been some issues but I am not sure that every gun has them. The one I shot was remarkable. I was amazed at the accuracy of the little gun. Every bit as good as my PM9.

Maybe Kahr has the problems sorted out?

Anyway, Tango51, it sounds like you have nothing to lose by trying it out. Just keep in mind, there is a break in period.

I have already sent mine back to Kahr and had it returned "repaired" - they replaced a lot including the frame itself. It shot almost as badly afterwards and I had to forget about another purchase I had planned because of the serial number change. VERY annoying!

I'm done with them - if you read on here you'll see that some people are on their 3rd P380 frame and have spent ages playing this game!

What does this say about their repairs?

Also, as I learn more about what causes some of these issues I can see that some of them (eg. the loaded magazine design problem) are really unfixable!

Bob


(IN case you are wondering what I mean - fill up a P380 mag with bullets and then see how the top rounds are free to nose dive. The tips of the rounds spread out like fingers on a hand. This is NOT the case with the lower rounds - or in other manufacturers magazines that I have compared. It is a DESIGN flaw).

[MLESa7990]

Bob, why do you even bother posting on this forum anymore?

Also, are you really comparing a full size P220 to a sub compact P380?

[Mecenas]

I have no idea what the Moderators on this forum are doing but certainly they are not moderating. Allowing KahrOwner vent on every thread he spots and put so much venom and negativity is not only counterproductive but it ruins this forum for all those who want to get real information. One guy who has decided to spend the rest of his life hating Kahr and expressing those hate feelings whether asked or not is does not make for reasonable, reliable information and. most of all, makes this forum a site for blatant negative, hateful and counterproductive place to be. Any other forum would ban KahrOwner long time ago - I cannot believe that he is allowed to last that long on this one

[KahrOwner]

Bob, why do you even bother posting on this forum anymore?

Also, are you really comparing a full size P220 to a sub compact P380?

I'm trying to see if I can resolve these problems to the point where I can sell it and still sleep at night (something Kahr doesn't have an issue with).

This forum has been a great source on the topic.

Bob

[JFootin]

I have no idea what the Moderators on this forum are doing but certainly they are not moderating. Allowing KahrOwner vent on every thread he spots and put so much venom and negativity is not only counterproductive but it ruins this forum for all those who want to get real information. One guy who has decided to spend the rest of his life hating Kahr and expressing those hate feelings whether asked or not is does not make for reasonable, reliable information and. most of all, makes this forum a site for blatant negative, hateful and counterproductive place to be. Any other forum would ban KahrOwner long time ago - I cannot believe that he is allowed to last that long on this one

+1. POOPING all over everybody else's threads is a lousy thing to do. Sorry you had all that trouble, KahrOwner. You have fully expressed your feelings in your own threads, and DOZENS AND DOZENS of other threads. Stop it! Enough is enough, and you've gone way beyond enough. Get on with your life or get a lawyer or something. But stop pooping all over this forum!

[KahrOwner]

I have no idea what the Moderators on this forum are doing but certainly they are not moderating. Allowing KahrOwner vent on every thread he spots and put so much venom and negativity is not only counterproductive but it ruins this forum for all those who want to get real information. One guy who has decided to spend the rest of his life hating Kahr and expressing those hate feelings whether asked or not is does not make for reasonable, reliable information and. most of all, makes this forum a site for blatant negative, hateful and counterproductive place to be. Any other forum would ban KahrOwner long time ago - I cannot believe that he is allowed to last that long on this one

I'm sorry that you do not like my opinions. But I started out liking my Kahr and have only suffered one disappointment after another and reported everything truthfully.

Is it the job of moderators to remove unflattering posts? Nothing that I have said on here is untrue.

R.

[Bawanna]

We like to keep the forum open to honest complaints against kahr products. Kahr endorses this stance and doesn't want to see people banned for honest criticism. We all learn from these post. When they continue and spread all over the forum like a plague it is no longer fun and enjoyable for anyone especially me.

Kahrowner can send that 380 back to kahr and they will fix it. It's you giving up, not them. I have it on good authority that the 380 is on the road to reliability, the issues have been identified and things are improving. Send it back and give em another chance or give up. Your option.

One thing we will not tolerate, or at least I won't is moderator criticism, specifically for allowing this type of post. Does anyone really want a forum (similar to many others) whereby if you don't agree with what I think you get banned. A forum where you dare not mention a legitimate complaint seeking help for fear your plug is pulled.

Actually I'm ok with moderator criticism but just like complaints on guns they should be honest and legitimate.

I have to add that I've never received a complaint as a moderator, maybe someone has reported to Johnh or JustinN for my misdeeds but never any to me directly. I gotta tell ya hearing mods aren't moderating is a kick to the teeth to me and I feel kind of bad about it.

[Mecenas]

Bawanna - you have bent over backwards for Kahrowner and you are trying your best to be politically correct, but it is got to stop somewhere and where Kahrowner is lurking on this forum to interject his negativity everywhere he can - that is when a legitimate complaint turns into a counterproductive whining leaving bad taste for anyone who is even remotely interested in joining. This is when I expect a good mod to say - enough is enough - one more and you are BANNED forever - period, the end of the story.

[mser]

] don't want to hijack this thread, and hope it can get back on track answering the original posters question and concerns. With that said, I for one appreciate all of the moderators that make KahrTalk possible. If I'm reading between the lines correctly I don't believe the annoyance is with the moderation of posts, but with constant posts bashing Kahr and the P380. The P380 had / has some problems. Kahr's working on it. We are all well aware that one of the board members has experienced problems and is unsatisfied with any and all attempts to correct them. He's made that perfectly clear and I can empathize with him. It took a little bit, but my P380 seems to be well along the road to recovery. He's still experiencing problems and that's got to be extremely frustrating. But post your experience in a thread and move on. If someone posts asking for advice and you feel compelled to chime in, their question / concern should be answered as briefly as possible and / or they should be directed to previous posts that contain information they may find helpful.

Range reports and ownership experiences documenting performance and reliability are a great tool. It appears that although they are frequent, a good report has a short life span. A bad report sometimes takes on a life of it's own and mutates into a monster that is kept alive by unsatisfied posters feeding it.

[Bawanna]

Bawanna - you have bent over backwards for Kahrowner and you are trying your best to be politically correct, but it is got to stop somewhere and where Kahrowner is lurking on this forum to interject his negativity everywhere he can - that is when a legitimate complaint turns into a counterproductive whining leaving bad taste for anyone who is even remotely interested in joining. This is when I expect a good mod to say - enough is enough - one more and you are BANNED forever - period, the end of the story.

Thanks for saying I'm trying to be politically correct, truth be told I really suck at political correct. My wife can't believe I haven't been banned myself.
Please remember that sometimes members are contacted privately rather than called out in front of the membership. In this case that hasn't happened so while I make no threat of banishment from the forum YET to Kahrowner or any other member let's generally ease up some. Make a legitimate complaint in a thread or a post and then let it ride rather than spread like malaria all over the forum.

This would be especially true for a new member considering purchasing a Kahr. In all likely hood it will be perfect but I don't think it's a good idea to bombard them with negativity the minute they hit the post button.

John sent me a book long ago, "Moderating Forums 101 for Dummies" I'd best go back and reread. I'll get the hang of this mod thing someday. It's a personal challenge for me. And I never give up. Ever.

[Mecenas]

I just love it when someone starts with: "I don't want to hijack this thread" - ...and then proceeds to do just that. mser: If you don't believe the annoyance is with the moderation of the posts - well - you are wrong. It is with the moderation of these posts. My irks with Kahrowner are well past the annoyance - it is now with moderators who should not allow those posts of Kahrowner to continue because he made it absoluteley clear that he will not stop.

[rogerthedodger]

Hi everyone I've been reading for a while these posts on the 380. I'm not really too impressed by the reliability of this auto by the postings. I currently have one that I have not fired or paid for yet and the serial numbers fall within the group that seems to have issues. This P-380 has night sites and has a polished feed ramp. The owner advised me that this gun has about 50 rounds fired and supposedly had no issues. I can buy it for 400.00 which I think is a good price with the night sites all the paper work and the case. I am going to go shoot it tomorrow and hope that it fires good if it has any issues I will not buy it. I also have a PM 45 that shoots flawless I am impressed with that 45. I have a request can someone please post a picture of how the spring is suppose to be installed in the magazines or point me to a thread that has a pic posted of this. I want to make sure that the spring is in properly for the shoot tomorrow. I really hope that it shoots without issues because I would like to carry it instead of my Kel Tec 380 or my Ruger 380. By the way the Ruger and Kel Tec have shot flawlessly from the beginning. Wish my luck.
Welcome to the forum. I am waiting to hear your range report. Good luck.
And, dont let the ranting bother you, we really are a good bunch of gun nuts on this forum.
Roger:D

[popgoestheweasel]

I don't have a picture of a properly installed mag spring....or a link to a thread for a description of such, however, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

[Bawanna]

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=9193&highlight=MAG+SPRING

Post # 6 of this thread shows the orientation of the mag spring. Nice job Greg.

[popgoestheweasel]

ask and you shall receive (4 minutes later). nice job there, mr. moderator. now, for christmas, i'd like a new pm45. thanking you, in advance.

Yours,
pop

[TheTman]

That was an impressive video Kahrowner. I doubt very many guns would pass that test.

[Bawanna]

ask and you shall receive (4 minutes later). nice job there, mr. moderator. now, for christmas, i'd like a new pm45. thanking you, in advance.

Yours,
pop

DLC Black or Two Tone? Standard or Night Sights?

Have you been a good boy this year? Never mind, I'll just check my records.

[rogerthedodger]

DLC Black or Two Tone? Standard or Night Sights?

Have you been a good boy this year? Never mind, I'll just check my records.
I'm 2nd in line. AND, I have been a VERY good boy, just dont ask my wife, PLEASE. LOL
Roger:)

[Cokeman]

OK everyone I put this thing P 380 through the paces today my fingers are about to fall off. I shot 300 rounds of Remington UMC Ball Ammo 95 grain and 100 rounds of Hornady 90 gr XTP (JHP). Not one jam not one failure to feed not one failure to fire not one slide failing to stay open not one stove pipe nothing zilch it shoot beautiful. This is a keeper and I was extremely happy with the accuracy. I fired it as fast as I could pull the trigger I fired it slowly I double tapped and could not get it not to fire properly. I had two friends also fire it and not one problem with them either. I then shot my Kel Tec that I had with me and what a difference after 20 rounds my index finger was rubbed raw from the recoil and the gun was not as accurate but it did shoot without any issues. The recoil on the Kel Tec was more pronounced then the Kahr. Anyway I am a happy camper..

Just in case Kahrowner didn't see this.

[KahrOwner]

Just in case Kahrowner didn't see this.

Yes, that IS very hard for me to believe at this point. Sorry - it just IS.

I also took my own repaired P380 to the range tonight with 100 rounds of WWB and also 100 rounds of Remington UMC. Sorta my "last" try with my repaired and self tuned P380.

My range report will be nothing like this one (if/when I write it up) and frankly I'd really have to see this one to believe it.

Bob

[muggsy]

This is what I call REAL reliability:

http://www.kiesler.com/videodetail.aspx?id=1277

Also known as "to hell and back" reliability!

Bob

That's exactly how I treat my EDC. I always bury it in the mud and run it over with my truck before tucking it into my waist band. :)

[muggsy]

We like to keep the forum open to honest complaints against kahr products. Kahr endorses this stance and doesn't want to see people banned for honest criticism. We all learn from these post. When they continue and spread all over the forum like a plague it is no longer fun and enjoyable for anyone especially me.

Kahrowner can send that 380 back to kahr and they will fix it. It's you giving up, not them. I have it on good authority that the 380 is on the road to reliability, the issues have been identified and things are improving. Send it back and give em another chance or give up. Your option.

One thing we will not tolerate, or at least I won't is moderator criticism, specifically for allowing this type of post. Does anyone really want a forum (similar to many others) whereby if you don't agree with what I think you get banned. A forum where you dare not mention a legitimate complaint seeking help for fear your plug is pulled.

Actually I'm ok with moderator criticism but just like complaints on guns they should be honest and legitimate.

I have to add that I've never received a complaint as a moderator, maybe someone has reported to Johnh or JustinN for my misdeeds but never any to me directly. I gotta tell ya hearing mods aren't moderating is a kick to the teeth to me and I feel kind of bad about it.

Bawanna,
Not to hijack this thread, but why doesn't Kahr close the muzzle end of the recoil spring to preclude any possibility of it entering the guide rod hole in the slide? Either that or undercut and recess the inside perimeter of the guide rod hole. It would seem to me to be a simple and cost effective fix for an annoying problem. I wouldn't even charge Kahr for my suggestion. :)

[Tango51]

Yes, that IS very hard for me to believe at this point. Sorry - it just IS.

I also took my own repaired P380 to the range tonight with 100 rounds of WWB and also 100 rounds of Remington UMC. Sorta my "last" try with my repaired and self tuned P380.

My range report will be nothing like this one (if/when I write it up) and frankly I'd really have to see this one to believe it.

Bob



Bob why is this hard for you to believe. I don't post BS because I want to see myself type. If this 380 would have had any issues I would have posted them. I have no skin in this game. You are basically calling me a lair and making up my range report. How about if I don't believe your posts of a POS weapon that you supposedly own. Re think your statements before you go calling me a liar.

[Bawanna]

Bawanna,
Not to hijack this thread, but why doesn't Kahr close the muzzle end of the recoil spring to preclude any possibility of it entering the guide rod hole in the slide? Either that or undercut and recess the inside perimeter of the guide rod hole. It would seem to me to be a simple and cost effective fix for an annoying problem. I wouldn't even charge Kahr for my suggestion. :)

I'll try to sell em that idea, if it flies I'll split it with ya.

[Bawanna]

Easy guys. Lets celebrate a perfect range report (which I believe based on your initial skepticism) takes a real guy to publicly admit he expects defeat and then come back and eat crow and say he was wrong.

Lets contain the negative in their own threads and not scatter it all over the forum. I think we'll get a much more harmonious outcome.

Tango51, on behalf of Jocko I say shoot it like ya stole and you got a keeper right there.

Speaking of which he should be back from his overseas assignment anytime now.

[Tango51]

Easy guys. Lets celebrate a perfect range report (which I believe based on your initial skepticism) takes a real guy to publicly admit he expects defeat and then come back and eat crow and say he was wrong.

Lets contain the negative in their own threads and not scatter it all over the forum. I think we'll get a much more harmonious outcome.

Tango51, on behalf of Jocko I say shoot it like ya stole and you got a keeper right there.

Speaking of which he should be back from his overseas assignment anytime now.


Absolutely,this little gun fires great I carried it today all day on my side and did not know it was even there. As long as I have that confident feeling with it I will carry it. By the way this forum is great lot's of great information.

[Husky44]

Bawanna:

I for one appreciate the fact that you allow dissenting opinion to be expressed without censorship. It would be easy to turn this into a Kahr cult; instead it's a great place to learn the unvarnished truth (or at least strong opinion and personal experience) about these guns.

Kudos!

[Bawanna]

Bawanna:

I for one appreciate the fact that you allow dissenting opinion to be expressed without censorship. It would be easy to turn this into a Kahr cult; instead it's a great place to learn the unvarnished truth (or at least strong opinion and personal experience) about these guns.

Kudos!

Thanks much Husky. We do like to keep it open for honest criticism. We do encounter some souls predestined it seems to just bash the brand, which is beyond the scope of what any forum would or should allow.

Every maker has an issue of some sort and thats life. In the future I suspect cases of scattered and relentless brand bashing will be nixed much earlier rather than allowed to poison and ruin the whole forum.

Complaints and issues is one thing, power whining probably not so much.

[1radman]

+1Huskey...Although you'd think after all that axgrindin' the poor fella woulda got it all out of his system.

[MikeyKahr]

Most likely not out of the system. I wouldn't be surprised to see him pop up on another forum.

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