New CM9- is this normal? - Video added!

[kayl]

I ordered a CM9 last week after handling one and dry-firing one at Gander Mountain. (Ordered online, why pay over $100 more for the same gun? :))

The gun came in yesterday and I stopped by my FFL's to fill out the paperwork. (WI has a 48 hour waiting period on all handguns, so I don't have it home yet...) I checked the gun out and dry fired it a few times.

I noticed that the trigger does not break until the trigger is touching the rear of the trigger guard (IE is pulled ALL the way back). I don't seem to recall the CM9 that I checked out at Gander Mountain having the same issue-
Is this normal?

[Thunder71]

It does have a long trigger pull, I guess without seeing what you're referring to it's hard to say if it's normal or not.

[kayl]

Now you know why it's sometimes worth more to buy locally.

It does have a long trigger pull, I guess without seeing what you're referring to it's hard to say if it's normal or not.

The trigger literally breaks as the rear of the trigger his the plastic in the rear of the trigger guard. I've shot a lot of guns, but I've never seen a trigger break so far back

[Bawanna]

It's not normal to be touching the trigger guard before it fires. That's not right. It may just seem very long since your not accustomed to it but you did say you compared it to another so maybe so.

It pays to remember when you receive a gun from out of state, bought on line or whatever, inspect it at your dealer. If it's not right, not liking it might not work but if there is anything not as advertised or you think its not mechanically correct, don't accept it. Don't fill out the paper.

Then your FFL can just send it back. Ownership isn't transferred and other than you didn't get a new gun everything is right with the world.

[Thunder71]

The trigger literally breaks as the rear of the trigger his the plastic in the rear of the trigger guard. I've shot a lot of guns, but I've never seen a trigger break so far back

I guess I've never paid much attention to it in relation to the back of the trigger guard, I know mine goes pretty close. If I can later, I'll check and see. It's a PM9 but shouldn't matter for comparison sake.

[kayl]

It's not normal to be touching the trigger guard before it fires. That's not right. It may just seem very long since your not accustomed to it but you did say you compared it to another so maybe so.

It pays to remember when you receive a gun from out of state, bought on line or whatever, inspect it at your dealer. If it's not right, not liking it might not work but if there is anything not as advertised or you think its not mechanically correct, don't accept it. Don't fill out the paper.

Then your FFL can just send it back. Ownership isn't transferred and other than you didn't get a new gun everything is right with the world.

Too late now-
I'll check it out on Saturday when I can pick it up and post a pic...

[Bawanna]

Too late now-
I'll check it out on Saturday when I can pick it up and post a pic...

I figured as much in this case.

Don't panic just yet. It may be perfectly fine when you actually shoot it. Playing with it at a gun counter at your FFL and fondling in the comfort of your own home or range can be two very different things.

There's lots of good help for you right here if you need it and if you find it really isn't right, then Kahr will make it right. I'd not worry about fixing it until you know for sure it's broken.

Welcome and we'll look forward to pics and a range report. Some say my glass is always half full but I got good wishes for you and hope it just runs like a champ.

[kayl]

I figured as much in this case.

Don't panic just yet. It may be perfectly fine when you actually shoot it. Playing with it at a gun counter at your FFL and fondling in the comfort of your own home or range can be two very different things.

There's lots of good help for you right here if you need it and if you find it really isn't right, then Kahr will make it right. I'd not worry about fixing it until you know for sure it's broken.

Welcome and we'll look forward to pics and a range report. Some say my glass is always half full but I got good wishes for you and hope it just runs like a champ.

I'm not panicking; I've no doubts I'll get it taken care of in the end IF there is something wrong. I know my FFL thought it was weird too, but we'll see :)

I'll let you know more on Saturday!

[jimsea]

FWIW mine goes boom at this point which is also the end of the pull.

[kayl]

Ok- Here's a quick video of the pull. As you can see, the trigger is all the way to the rear, then additional weight is applied before the trigger breaks.

http://youtu.be/gFkYclpsouk

Any thoughts?

[TriggerMan]

Ok- Here's a quick video of the pull. As you can see, the trigger is all the way to the rear, then additional weight is applied before the trigger breaks.

http://youtu.be/gFkYclpsouk

Any thoughts?Where do we send the flowers? Seriously, let Kahr check it out.

[jimsea]

you're good to go. :cool:

[pur4]

you said the trigger touch the back of the guard but in the clip i don't see the trigger touching the guard. it could also be that you uploaded such a short clip it was lagging or something try to upload a longer clip and redo it twice and maybe explain the problem in the clip as well. i bought a kel tec p11 and that trigger really touches the back of the guard. from what i saw in the clip my kahr and other kahr i saw at the LGS have the same thing.

[kayl]

Where do we send the flowers? Seriously, let Kahr check it out.

Send them to my wife on my behalf please! :-D



you said the trigger touch the back of the guard but in the clip i don't see the trigger touching the guard. it could also be that you uploaded such a short clip it was lagging or something try to upload a longer clip and redo it twice and maybe explain the problem in the clip as well. i bought a kel tec p11 and that trigger really touches the back of the guard. from what i saw in the clip my kahr and other kahr i saw at the LGS have the same thing.

Sorry, I should have clarified that the trigger couldn't move any further backwards at that point. Then I added more pressure and the trigger released.

I just wanted to know it was normal or not. Thanks!

[TriggerMan]

Send them to my wife on my behalf please! :-D




Sorry, I should have clarified that the trigger couldn't move any further backwards at that point. Then I added more pressure and the trigger released.

I just wanted to know it was normal or not. Thanks!I just checked my PM9. It goes back a long ways but I feel I have brought the trigger to about a verticle orientation, though that's hard to confirm since it's curved. There is some space left behind it and the trigger does not come close to hitting anything. Maybe its your other Kahr that's out of spec.

[jocko]

video for me tells me nadda..

remember ur trigger pull is 3/8" on all kahrs, If it goesw bang every time, then it is probalby OK. I just looked at my PM9 and it looks like ur video.

Just shoot it like u stole it:)

[hoghunter]

My CM9 trigger pull appears the same as your video.

[Bear549]

Mine is at the exact some place. I never really paid attention to where it broke at. I tried all the different firearms in this class at the time I purchased my CM9 and I feel that it has the best trigger pull and break. The others were long with a hesitant break to where you had to use the very tip of your finger or reposition your finger as you pulled the trigger.

[alseg]

I own a new one CM9 that I am breaking in. I just dry fired mine and it looks similar. Looks ok to me for a DAO in a defensive semi-auto with no safety, esp. if used for concealed carry . Makers tend to have the trigger emulate a revolver. It has a lot less of a pull distance and is smoother than many equivalent models by other brands. I traded a KelTec to get my Kahr, and the KTec had a pull all the way to the rear and was ratchety by comparison.

[O'Dell]

Both my PM9 and CW40 release a the very end of the pull. Since neither has ever failed to fire for any reason, I'm not going to worry about it.

[jocko]

Mine is at the exact some place. I never really paid attention to where it broke at. I tried all the different firearms in this class at the time I purchased my CM9 and I feel that it has the best trigger pull and break. The others were long with a hesitant break to where you had to use the very tip of your finger or reposition your finger as you pulled the trigger.

kahr trigger system are so damnsmooth, one can't really tell when it breaks. unlike my G19 I can feel that final set beforethe bang thing happens. With the kahr trigger why worry aobut where it finally makes the bang thing, you can't do anything to shorten it. it is a 3/8trigger travel, by design. Probaby one of the things that draws people to kahr and keeps them there is the outstanding trigger. This ain't no target gun folks, it is a defense gun, that will shoot better than the hand holding it. I see on this forum quite a few who do shoot great with it but most I am going to say are average with it, unlike shooting a single action 1911 style or something with a real short trigger travel..:7:

[kayl]

kahr trigger system are so damnsmooth, one can't really tell when it breaks. unlike my G19 I can feel that final set beforethe bang thing happens. With the kahr trigger why worry aobut where it finally makes the bang thing, you can't do anything to shorten it. it is a 3/8trigger travel, by design. Probaby one of the things that draws people to kahr and keeps them there is the outstanding trigger. This ain't no target gun folks, it is a defense gun, that will shoot better than the hand holding it. I see on this forum quite a few who do shoot great with it but most I am going to say are average with it, unlike shooting a single action 1911 style or something with a real short trigger travel..:7:

I think that's part of the issue, I was expecting a "smoother" 442 trigger. Instead I got something better :)

[jocko]

u will adapt to it, if u can shoot a double action revolver, u will be Ok with the kahr trigger system. I see ur kinda new here but I have posted since this forum started and I have stated in my case I do not shoot my PM9 good as I think I should, after 32K rounds down range from it. I just don't do good with that long trigger system, but I accept that to. I can hit very goodat 7 yards and under where I do most all of my practicing etc, at my age 67+ Iam getting to old to run, so I am just gonna shoot thge BG and be done with it. That is why I bought my PM9, it is my 24/7 carry peace and I trust it completely. I don't condemn the trigger system for I knew what it was and how it worked before I bought it. It is so so smooth tha tif u think ur gonna stage a kahr trigger ur never gonna shoot good with it . a straight constant pull is what is needed and in my case I just never mastered that. I think I have but when I put some snap caps in with my live rounds and then load the magazine not knowing where or how many caps are in it, wow does that ever tell me how bacd I anticipate that "bang" thing. Trust me snap caps in with 30 live rounds and letting another person load the magazine for you will show your ill ways with a long double action trigger...

Just stick with it and u will certainly improve. How much is an individual thing as u well know..The main thing about a good defense semi is to know every damn quirk that gun might give u. know h0ow to clear, tap/rack/bang thing is a good drill. It is also fun to..

[Thunder71]

Yep, that's normal... my PM9 and MK9 break at the same spot.

[muggsy]

I ordered a CM9 last week after handling one and dry-firing one at Gander Mountain. (Ordered online, why pay over $100 more for the same gun? :))

The gun came in yesterday and I stopped by my FFL's to fill out the paperwork. (WI has a 48 hour waiting period on all handguns, so I don't have it home yet...) I checked the gun out and dry fired it a few times.

I noticed that the trigger does not break until the trigger is touching the rear of the trigger guard (IE is pulled ALL the way back). I don't seem to recall the CM9 that I checked out at Gander Mountain having the same issue-
Is this normal?

Just one question Kayl, when Gander mountain goes out of business, because you didn't buy from them where will you go to preview your on line purchases?

[kayl]

Just one question Kayl, when Gander mountain goes out of business, because you didn't buy from them where will you go to preview your on line purchases?

Cabelas... ;)

If you pay Gander Mountain prices for all your guns, I feel sorry for you. I'll buy from Gander Mountain, but their pricing has to be somewhat competitive. Same for a LGS. Don't price a gun $150 over what it should be and expect me to buy it. I've bought from Gander before and likely will again, depending on prices.

[MO_Soldier]

I see on this forum quite a few who do shoot great with it...

Awww I'm flattered Jocko!:D