CM9 up to 450 rds now

[jeffe007]

she ran beautifully on Sunday. ive done a bit of modifying of it tho. now she just keeps on running like the energiser bunny. im really starting to fall in love with this little guy! and i can even slingshot all rounds but the longest.

[jimsea]

i am definitely smitten...........400 flawless detonations thus far.

[TeaQue]

I'm new to the Kahrs and looking to buy a CM9 or CW9 but this is weird..............450rds without an issue seems like nothing to me. Is this odd for the Kahrs??

I'm at 2,000rds with my M&P without a single issue and thats impressive to me. If I'm paying $400+ for a pistol it damn well better be able to shoot 450rds without a hitch.

[jocko]

well one has to start at zero to get to any round count. How about my PM9 with 32K through it and no issues, no broken parts, will that pass ur muster test??? Or my K9 with alittle over 5K through it and recoil spring changes only. a hitch is also in the eyes of the beholder, crap rounds, tired shooter, piss poor grip, very dirty ass gun can all alter the reliability of ANY gun and one can't blame the gun for that.

[TeaQue]

well one has to start at zero to get to any round count. How about my PM9 with 32K through it and no issues, no broken parts, will that pass ur muster test??? Or my K9 with alittle over 5K through it and recoil spring changes only. a hitch is also in the eyes of the beholder, crap rounds, tired shooter, piss poor grip, very dirty ass gun can all alter the reliability of ANY gun and one can't blame the gun for that.

Well of course that will! ;)

32k rds through a PM9 is amazing. I don't mean to offend anyone and like I said, I'm looking to buy a CM/CW9, I just meant that 400rds doesn't seem like much to me......

[JFootin]

Well of course that will! ;)

32k rds through a PM9 is amazing. I don't mean to offend anyone and like I said, I'm looking to buy a CM/CW9, I just meant that 400rds doesn't seem like much to me......

Well, it's pretty good proof that a new gun is broken in, dependable and carry ready. That's all he was saying.

[TeaQue]

Well, it's pretty good proof that a new gun is broken in, dependable and carry ready. That's all he was saying.

Fair enough ;)

[jocko]

if ur M & P glitched once in 450 rounds would u peddle it????I sure n hell would not. They ain't made the perfect gun yet, let alone the perfect shooter.. Not trying to argue ur point 400 round sis not alot of rounds but for many it is also. Many owners shoot their guns seldom, some of this forum shoot um like they stole um. Shooter technique has alot to do with reliability. I can remember back about 5years ago in talking to a Kel Tec technician, his statement to me was that close to 50% of all returns, were tested out to be OK. Their contention is it was shooter error, Now try to tell that to a disgruntled owner and as u know it won't fly. If gun s could only talk, alot of things would change for the better to. ur not gonna ever shoot out a kahr, just to well of a made gun, not that a part cannot break, I am not niave to think that cannot happen to ANY GUN, but quality wise, ur not gonna shoot out a kahr. The cm9 is as surable as any PM series kahr is also. When kahr made the cw and the now cm series, they certainly didn't cheapen the quality of the materials IMO. same stainless slides, same lower polymer frame. all barrels nickel plated, same magazines. But that being said lemons pop up to, and that is what a good customer service at kahr is also there for.

I have always been an advocate of one when he has some issues with a kahr or for that matter any semi, to let anothger good shooter try the gun. If he can duplicate then one can assume it is gun related. If he cannot, then one needs to look into the mirror for the source of the issue...

I can say this with certainty, this fokking forum has some of the most knowledeable kahr owners here that I have seen on any gun forum. They are here to help a owner if he wants help. they have learned some things that maybe even the kahr tech people are unaware of even. I lovemy kahrs, so I guess I am in the fanboi section but I also have stated my negative opinions on the P380 many times, and lately the P380 seems to be climbing out of it deep hole to...

[TeaQue]

I wasn't trying compare my M&P to a Kahr, they're apples and oranges, but to answer your question, no I wouldn't "peddle" it if I had failures under 400rds, in fact, I'd be really pissed! I guess growing up shooting thousands of rounds through my Dad's Glocks and now my M&P without any failures (except for the time I limp wristed his G36 and caused an FTE) has spoiled me.

I'll admit, at this point, after reading various posts on this forum, I'm a little hesitant at buying a Kahr because of some of the weird issues some people have but honestly, I don't know what else to buy thats a single stack 9mm that I like any better. I don't like the Ruger or Keltec and I'm not shelling out the money for a PPS (Dad has one, I'm not impressed) so I might as well give it a go with the Kahr and hope I fall in love like you. :cool:

[Ressom]

1400 flawless rounds through my CM9. You have to remember that the CM9 was only introduced this year. The M&P has been around for 6 years, so a lot more people will have put a lot more rounds through it.

And as to the reliability.... I don't think Kahr is the only manufacturer having problems. Not to pick on Sig, but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuTLHvWzM6U

He shoots a lot of different guns and his comments at about 6 min are telling.

[TeaQue]

Thats also very true, the early M&Ps had their issues for sure! Is the CW9 much different than the CM9? I was under the impression that they were essentially the same, just a little difference in size.

Nutnfancy is the man!

[jocko]

ur right the same gun "size"

[TeaQue]

How do they compare as far as recoil?

[jocko]

probably close to the same but the cw u hav eto know holds one more round, meaning more grip area, so felt recoil should be less. the 9mm is just a very pleasant calibert anyway and kahr's patented lower bore axis helps alot to. My PM9 I magna ported so it shoots like a 380, MY K9 is also ported and shoots like nothing is there. Felt recoil a su know varies with each individual. For sure a PM40 and a PM9, one is going to rock ur boat while the other merely moves ur boat..

[jocko]

1400 flawless rounds through my CM9. You have to remember that the CM9 was only introduced this year. The M&P has been around for 6 years, so a lot more people will have put a lot more rounds through it.

And as to the reliability.... I don't think Kahr is the only manufacturer having problems. Not to pick on Sig, but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuTLHvWzM6U

He shoots a lot of different guns and his comments at about 6 min are telling.

the sig 238 had issues in the beginning, supposably that has been sorted out by now. sh-t happens, sig as u can see is not immune..:behindsofa:

[SyckoSmoker]

I am new to Kahr pistols as the PM9 I bought recently is my first Kahr. All manufacturers have issues. Go to any given forum and there are complaints on all of them. I agree that a gun should be reliable from the factory and things that slip past QC shouldn't. With that being said I feel there is a large percentage at least 30% that are user error. Too many people that don't have a clue and shouldn't be handling firearms. Look at the ceiling on any range for proof of that. I love my new Kahr more and more everytime I shoot it. I haven't found a thing to complain about yet other than the mags not dropping free. Minor issue and easily fixed by the user although it shouldn't have to be. In my opinion you are waaaay more likely to get a gun that runs as not with all major companies and Kahr is just another example of this.

[jocko]

nice post, yes u can tweek ur mag to drop freely if that is ur desire. My PM9 mags have never droped freely. I know the tweek fix to but chose to let it drop half inch and pull it out. Iam fast at it . I don't carry a spare, so that is fine where it stays. No problem with it flying out of the gun accidently and going all over hell. Ur point though is good. Most all good guns work out of the box, thouse that don't that is what the factory warranty is for. How many can say they have bought a new kahr and had no issues. not to damn many. I have ownede 6 european high dollar cars and everyone has had to go back to the shop for some minor sh-t and even some major sh-t. Good companies stood behind them, that is all I can ask for. I like all of u wkant perfection when I buy a product but being a business man for over 40+ years I also know better. Most all gun manufacture specific gun forums if you read them will make u leary of that product but again ur not gonna read of issues with the kimbers, sigs, glocks, rugers on a kahr forum. Your gonna read of issues with kahrs as well it should be. Today it seems more than ever there is a fight to be the smallest, lightest gun out there and with that comes the treething pains of such a small ass product to. They are squeezing alot of crapola into these small guns and expecting every shooter to be able to handle them, which we know is just not so. People come n all makes and models to and many as Sycko stated should not even own guns and then they go out and buy some sub compact super duper miniature worlds lightest gun and bingo, the fokker doesn't work and oh yes it is always the guns fault...

[nunnya]

TeaQue,
I'm a new owner of a CM9 and have a M&P9C which I have enjoyed greatly.
The CM9 is easier to conceal which why I bought it.
It's recoil is almost as soft as the M&P which is very good.
The trigger is very different but I like it, it's easy to master.
Mine has been 100% reliable and is surprisingly accurate as is the M&P.
Both are keepers!
Neither gun leaves you feeling like your making a compromise by carrying
a small pistol.

nunnya