7 rd Kahr mags......now I know why they are giving them away.

[jimsea]

Picked up one of these mags new at a local gun shop yesterday, took it back and got another one today. Now it's going back. No thanks on the 7 rd mag.

I can't believe Kahr is letting these ill fitting/unreliable things out the door. Kahr builds a great firearm but their mags are unbelievably bad.

Just about every round a nose dive out of a gun that has been 100 percent reliable with the factory supplied 6 rd mag.

[TheTman]

Are those .45 mags? I can't my 7 round .45 mags to work at all. My .40 7 round work ok.

[Hognutz]

They certainly do have issues with their magazines. I really don't get it..Mike

[jimsea]

Are those .45 mags?

single stack 9mm.

[QuercusMax]

Haven't had any issues with the 7 round 9mm mag that I have, but I never use it except sometimes when I am at the range and want to have a bunch of mags loaded up, and even then I don't like to use it because it sticks out the bottom of my MK9, making a bigger gun out of something that is supposed to be small. I also don't like to practice with a magazine that makes the grip "different" from what it would be with the 6 round mags that I always use.

The 6 round mags (I have several) have all been totally reliable for me, and in keeping with the size of the gun.

[FLBri]

I have to 9mm 7rnd mags and use them in two different guns (Mk9 and PM9). I have not ever had an issue in either of them.

[Hognutz]

My 7 round mag. runs great. It even drops out, but there sure have been a bunch that don't..This needs to be addressed at the factory..It has to cost them big time to replace all of the bad ones. One would think that they would Nipp this thing in the bud..Not only is it bad PR., it is pissing off the people that keep them in business..Mike

[jocko]

ust me me but why one buys a small ass 9mm like the cm or Pm kahr and then sticks an extended magasine in it makes zero sense tome. Why kahr even puts that 7 round mag in with the PM9 when one buys it blows my mind. If u want a 7 rund mag gun buy the cw9 and be done with it. They work rioght as the etire magazine is in the mag well and there for IMO one cannot dstort the magazine like he can with these extended magazines that are in such a short mag well anyways. Some tha thave no issues IMO are getting a different grip o the gun than others, maybe not distorting the magazine to cuase some of the feed issues. I feel one should practice the way he is gonna carry to and an extended magazine will give a different feel on a cm or Pm9 kahr than a flush fit one.

[OldLincoln]

I carry with the 6rd in the gun and a pair of 7rd spares. If I need a spare it isn't concealed anymore and it's easier for me to handle with my A&G Grip Extender (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=78241/pid=310/Product/SEMI-AUTO-GRIP-EXTENDER?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&mc_id=10000&gdftrk=gdfV21820_a_7c187_a_7c3466_a_7c075000015_d_ 075000001_d_10013).

http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx269/OldLincoln/PM9/P1010812.jpg

http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx269/OldLincoln/PM9/P1010811.jpg

[guido4198]

I'm philosophically with Linc on this one. My 6 rd. is in the pistol, with one in the chamber for a total of 7 in the gun when I draw. IF...God Forbid...I ever need rounds 8-14....concealment won't be an issue and an extra shot might be.
All that philosophy aside...if that spare mag doesn't work right..it's worthless, just a spring loaded ammo carrier.

[muggsy]

ust me me but why one buys a small ass 9mm like the cm or Pm kahr and then sticks an extended magasine in it makes zero sense tome. Why kahr even puts that 7 round mag in with the PM9 when one buys it blows my mind. If u want a 7 rund mag gun buy the cw9 and be done with it. They work rioght as the etire magazine is in the mag well and there for IMO one cannot dstort the magazine like he can with these extended magazines that are in such a short mag well anyways. Some tha thave no issues IMO are getting a different grip o the gun than others, maybe not distorting the magazine to cuase some of the feed issues. I feel one should practice the way he is gonna carry to and an extended magazine will give a different feel on a cm or Pm9 kahr than a flush fit one.

I have the six round mag in the gun and carry the seven round mag in a mag holster as a backup. I don't need a pinky extension as my pinky on my right hand was smashed in an industrial accident and is next to useless. Your pinky finger shouldn't come into play when shooting a semi-auto, anyway. If you tighten your grip in anticipation of recoil the pinky finger has a tendency to cause you to shoot low.

[GBM30274]

Hi; everyone . As I'm new too the site I though this would be a good way get started . I have a CW 45 that I picked up some time ago and love it. how ever I was on a hunt for a better mags for this gun and found out that a Wilson Combat 47 D 8rd compact officer model will work right out of the pk. as well as the modle 47 7rd. This mag is a better mag as I have used a Wilson model 47 45acp mag befor in my SA 1911 with no problems at all . This is just a though and what I was doing for a different type of reliable mags. Thanks Glenn

[jocko]

now that is the kind of info guys here are looking for, nice work.

welcome aboard.

[jimsea]

Hi; everyone . As I'm new too the site I though this would be a good way get started . I have a CW 45 that I picked up some time ago and love it. how ever I was on a hunt for a better mags for this gun and found out that a Wilson Combat 47 D 8rd compact officer model will work right out of the pk. as well as the modle 47 7rd. This mag is a better mag as I have used a Wilson model 47 45acp mag befor in my SA 1911 with no problems at all . This is just a though and what I was doing for a different type of reliable mags. Thanks Glenn

excellent info.

..........anyone aware of any single stack 9mm non-Kahr mags that are of high quality?

[TriggerMan]

ust me me but why one buys a small ass 9mm like the cm or Pm kahr and then sticks an extended magasine in it makes zero sense tome. Why kahr even puts that 7 round mag in with the PM9 when one buys it blows my mind. If u want a 7 rund mag gun buy the cw9 and be done with it. They work rioght as the etire magazine is in the mag well and there for IMO one cannot dstort the magazine like he can with these extended magazines that are in such a short mag well anyways. Some tha thave no issues IMO are getting a different grip o the gun than others, maybe not distorting the magazine to cuase some of the feed issues. I feel one should practice the way he is gonna carry to and an extended magazine will give a different feel on a cm or Pm9 kahr than a flush fit one.
The gun is in the holster with a 6 rnd mag. The mag holder on the support side has the 7 rounder, bullets down but facing front. They both work at the range too. I actually have a two mag kydex holder from Alabama Holster.

[TriggerMan]

Hi; everyone . As I'm new too the site I though this would be a good way get started . I have a CW 45 that I picked up some time ago and love it. how ever I was on a hunt for a better mags for this gun and found out that a Wilson Combat 47 D 8rd compact officer model will work right out of the pk. as well as the modle 47 7rd. This mag is a better mag as I have used a Wilson model 47 45acp mag befor in my SA 1911 with no problems at all . This is just a though and what I was doing for a different type of reliable mags. Thanks GlennI wonder if the spring and follower from Wilson or CheckMate will work well in a Kahr tube? A Spring & Follower kit is cheaper than a mag and keeps your Kahr system looking as if its still 100% Kahr.

[O'Dell]

ust me me but why one buys a small ass 9mm like the cm or Pm kahr and then sticks an extended magasine in it makes zero sense tome. Why kahr even puts that 7 round mag in with the PM9 when one buys it blows my mind. If u want a 7 rund mag gun buy the cw9 and be done with it. They work rioght as the etire magazine is in the mag well and there for IMO one cannot dstort the magazine like he can with these extended magazines that are in such a short mag well anyways. Some tha thave no issues IMO are getting a different grip o the gun than others, maybe not distorting the magazine to cuase some of the feed issues. I feel one should practice the way he is gonna carry to and an extended magazine will give a different feel on a cm or Pm9 kahr than a flush fit one.

I agree completely, Jocko. I don't understand either. So many people have had a problem with them, I gave mine away without even trying it.

[jocko]

I have no one around here to give mine away.It is as useless as ti-s on a boar. Talk about Butt ugly, this magazine takes the prize.and for what one damn extra round I never under stood why them made the plastic magazine end cap like that, course they never ask me either.

If I can't do it in 7, then I am probalby dead anyway. I still say the key to self defense is the elemite of surprise that I have a gun on me and u didn't know it, when u threatened me with a knife or hayrake. bang ur dead, fokk u BG.:cheer2:

[dirksterg30]

I have no one around here to give mine away.It is as useless as ti-s on a boar. Talk about Butt ugly, this magazine takes the prize.and for what one damn extra round I never under stood why them made the plastic magazine end cap like that, course they never ask me either.

If I can't do it in 7, then I am probalby dead anyway. I still say the key to self defense is the elemite of surprise that I have a gun on me and u didn't know it, when u threatened me with a knife or hayrake. bang ur dead, fokk u BG.:cheer2:

Hayrake? Jocko, you should know better than to piss off them Amish folk.

[jocko]

got more than I want around this area to. Theyain't waht everyone maikes them out to be..

[Ikeo74]

I started a new thread on the 7 round mag, in case you missed it. I just recieved my new FREE 7 ROUND MAG and they have changed the baseplate to be flush with the grip and it even covers the bottom that everyone has been complaining about. Kahr has changed the base plate and filled in the gap the old one had. It is now flush fitting and looks great. I will be taking it to my home range today for some test shooting to see how it runs. I am expecting this one to be flawless right out of the shiping envelope. :cheer2:
If all goes well I will post a picture later. After the test run.

From the "black friday add" here is a link to what the mag looks like. Now available in 9mm and 40 cal.
http://www.kahr.com/Magazines/Kahr-6-Round-45-ACP-Magazine-W-Finger-Extension-K625G.asp

[O'Dell]

I have no one around here to give mine away.It is as useless as ti-s on a boar. Talk about Butt ugly, this magazine takes the prize.and for what one damn extra round I never under stood why them made the plastic magazine end cap like that, course they never ask me either.

If I can't do it in 7, then I am probalby dead anyway. I still say the key to self defense is the elemite of surprise that I have a gun on me and u didn't know it, when u threatened me with a knife or hayrake. bang ur dead, fokk u BG.:cheer2:

I gave mine to a forum member in PA, I think. He was nice enough to hand make me a beautiful leather mag carrier for the PM9 in return. I hadn't asked for it, but I think I got the better end of the deal thanks to his generosity.

[latinlaw]

I have had my PM9 for about 5 months. I have put well over 800 rounds through it. The 6 and 7 round magazine have worked flawlessly for me with hollow-point defensive ammo (Speer Gold Dot in 124gr). FMJ (ball ammo) is a totally different story. When I fire fmj in the 7 roundmag I get FTF's. The round actually gets caught up under the feed ramp. There is no "slap & rack" fix. I have to manually pull the slide back and drop the magazine. Not a pleasant scenario during a gun fight! I wish I had perused this forum prior to taking it to the range. Would have followed the advise by Jocko on prepping the kahr for its baptism at the range. As it stands, I am confident with the PM9 when loaded with carry ammo. Whenever I go to the range the first thing I do is fire the carry ammo loaded in both mags (simulate an 'Oh crap' situation). I have had no issues with those first rounds flying down range. I spend the rest of the range time firing FMJ. The 6 round mag has been flawless. But, like previous stated, the 7 rounder causes constant FTF. When I called Kahr customer service they offered to trade out the 7 round mag for another 6 rounder. I have Pearce grip extensions on both 6 round mags (comes 2 per package) which makes the gun a pleasure to shoot. This is my first day on this forum so I apologize if I just re-hashed old news.

[jocko]

return thye 7 rounder and get a flush 6 rounder and then u will be OK. IMO range time with a 7 runder and then going back to the 6 round flush fit gives two different feels for ur defense gun. I practice theway I ultimately carryj, there fore my 7 round worthless ass magazne, that although it does work in my jPM9 (have only tried it abouot twice in 5 years though)_ to me iw as worthless as ti-s on a boar. U might if u read the propper prepping thread check that magazine to see if by any chance that followers might be getting partially stuck when it rides by the magazine release button, this will cause nosedives, normally it willbe around2-3 when the follower isactually visible in that mag tube cut out window. It is fixable, but if I was not so damn lazy I would return my 7 rounder for a 6 rounder also and then have 3 6 round mags, which is more than I need really.. It is very strange that the 7 round works with defense ammo and not with fmj ammo, to me makes zero sense.

[Bawanna]

I'm wondering if the defense ammo runs the gun with a little more gusto and gets the slide to run a little further back helping the timing that the 7 rounder apparently mess's up either with too much or not enough spring pressure on the follower.

We've heard of people putting the 6 round spring in the 7 round tube and it worked fine, so I'm thinking too much pressure and the hotter rounds are helping to compensate.

Just a weak theory at this point, but food for thought.

[jimsea]

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?p=110490#post110490 post 26

I did some work on the follower here. Now the top round comes off at a good attitude and feeds nicely.

So, to review; to make a malfunctioning Kahr mag work, squeeze the mag tube at the top to make it fit properly in the mag well. Then mod the follower to prevent the top few rounds from nose diving. Shouldn't have to do these things, but it is what it is.

[latinlaw]

You are right about the different 'feel' between the 6 and 7 round mags Jocko. The pinkie extension on the 6 rounder levels things out for me. I have a large body frame and the added length does not effect the conceal ability of my PM9. I'm an IWB carrier most of the time. Might be a hindrance for pocket or ankle carry though. When I called Kahr about my issues they suggested I may be putting too much pinkie pressure on the 7 round mag and to try adjusting my grip. I place my empty 6 rnd mag (with pinkie ext) in the Kahr and white knuckled it. The mag seemed to sit nice and tight. When I did it with the 7 rnd there was significant movement in the mag well. Regardless, do you really want to be thinking about pinkie pressure on top of all the other things that are going to go through your mind during a deadly force scenario? 7 rounder is going back for a 6. Bawanna, the fmj I've practiced with we're various brands is 115gr. I've fired both 115 and 124gr in the defensive ammo in short barrel configuration (whatever that means). I just wonder if the added length of the ball over the hollow point (as slight as that may be) is a contributing factor along with the other issues in the 7 rnd mag? My brother bought a PM380 the same time I bought my PM9. He had FTF and FTE constantly. He sent his back to Kahr. They sent it back in 2 weeks after replacing some parts and some barrel polishing. Has had no issues since. What angers me is, for what you pay for these guns, shouldn't they be tested and polished up BEFORE they hit the shelves?!? I've carried many types of issued and personal handguns. Bottom line is you want them to come out of your holster and shoot! That's why I tended to carry a small revolver off duty. Not too much can go wrong with those. But nowadays....a 5 shot 2" .38 cal seems like a disadvantage considering the fire power bad guys are using out there.

[RevRay]

This is a very old thread. Can anybody comment on whether there is still a problem with the 7 round magazines? I'm waiting for my permit, and will eventually purchase a CM9, so it would be nice to get some feedback before I purchase any extra mags.

[LProf]

I have a new CM9 and my 7 round mag works fine.

[Cristofori]

I don't see any use in using these extended round mags for such a CCW gun anyway. You only get one more round, and besides looking ugly, they make concealment difficult if not altogether impossible.

I don't feel unarmed with my 5-shot J-Frame or LCR-38, so having 6+1 in my CM9 is all the more reassuring.

[CJB]

My own 7 round runs great. No nozedivz.

Can't say tho.. cus some folks do have their load of problems.

I'm thinking there is a combination of gun, spring, shooter, ammo... that just makes some of those mags not perform.

[adamog133]

the followers are catching on the magazine release cut out slot and either forcing failure to feed or nose dives from what I have learned and experienced. There is a sticky on how to repair the followers at home. Very easy.


http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14748

[wyntrout]

I think that I just put another base on mine and it became just one of the many 7-rounders for the K9 and P9. I use a lot of the 8-round extended mags in all of my 9's, including the PM9 at the range and reloads for the P9 and PM9 when carrying those.

I load up a LOT of mags for the range so I can get to shooting!

Wynn:)