Bad PM9?

[Chogers]

So I have over 300 rounds through my PM9 now. First range day I put 200+ rounds through it. Still didnt feel like it was broken in. After cleaning it I took it to the range for a second time. I put another 100+ rounds through it. This time the gun actually got worse. Extractor would not eject the empty shell. Slide stayed closed after gun fired. Empty casing stayed in the gun. I had to pysically open the slide to eject it. It didnt matter if I strong holded it and locked my arms out or if I had a relaxed stance. I had two other guys from the store shoot it and the gun still continued to do it. And it wasnt the ammo because we tried several different kinds. It got so bad that it went from one round per mag to doing it every other one to doing it all the time. Needless to say its going back to Kahr and I hope they can make it right! I am pretty disappointed right now! I heard that you will know when it is broken in because it will just feel right. Well not so much so far. :32:

[jocko]

document all that when u send ti back, a call tokahr and get a pre paid pickup on the gun. Sorry aobut that, they will get ur right. The fact that two others duplicated ur issues put the gun at fault, U did all u can. very strange the recoil not operating the slide..

[JFootin]

You might have put the recoil spring in backwards. Check that before you send it back. The open end goes towards the front, with the tip of the spring oriented toward the barrel when you set it back in there.

[sierrajb]

This is VERY rare for the PM9, especially after so many rounds. I'm assuming you lubed it properly after cleaning, right? My PM9 malfunctioned during my second range trip, but it had nothing to do with the gun. It was all my fault for not cleaning it.

Not saying that any of this is YOUR fault. I am saying that bad reports of this nature from PM9's are not common. Don't hesistate to contact Kahr. They will definitely make it right and enjoying making you happy with your PM9.

[OldLincoln]

Chogers.... After cleaning, how does the slide feel racking it? If it is sticky or hard to pull, remove the recoil spring and put the slide back on including the slide stop. Then rack it slowly feeling for particular rough spots. Of course examine the rails and how the slide fits when racking. Without the spring it all should be easy. If there is a rough spot note where it occurred and look for parts that rub at that point.

I suspect the barrel is not coming out of lock with the slide. They move together for a short space (maybe 1/4") then the barrel should drop down from the locked position in the slide and the slide proceed back. If I'm right there may be a burr of the front edge of the barrel shroud and the matching place on the inside top of the slide. The burrs would block the slide from going back.

It takes something pretty serious to stop a slide from the initial retraction of a fired round, assuming a decent factory round. Some stuff may cause the slide to hang further back or fail to feed because it runs out of energy but not to remain locked.

Please let us know.

[Chogers]

Both guys at the store shot it and took it apart and looked at it. Both avid Kahr guys. Gun was very clean and lubed at second time around. They couldnt even believe I had 300 rounds through it because it was still very stiff. It should feel broken in by now. I dont know. I have had the gun for 3 weeks. If Kahr cant make it right than there should be some kind of money back guarantee on it.

[MLESa7990]

SO have you called Kahr about sending it back to be looked at yet?. You hardly ever hear of issues with the PM9 at all. Mine has been perfect from the first shot, and I have close to, if not more than 300 rounds through it.

[Chogers]

The store I bought it from sent it back to Kahr. I didnt have to do anything. They wrote up all the problems in detail about what was going wrong. The good thing is, it wasnt just me that saw this malfunction and two others were able to manipulate it the same way. Its driving me insane as to what the problem was and if Kahr can do something to make it up to me.

[MLESa7990]

I'm sure they will get it fixed up for you. Why not call them to check the status of it?

[Chogers]

I would but I dont have an order number. I just emailed my guys at the store to see if I should get involved or not. The reason being I wanted the trigger smoothed out as a custom service to "make it up to me." I would think Kahr would want to make it up to me and the dealer if they stand by their product.

[MLESa7990]

You don't find the Kahr trigger smooth as is??

[Ikeo74]

The store I bought it from sent it back to Kahr. I didnt have to do anything. They wrote up all the problems in detail about what was going wrong. The good thing is, it wasnt just me that saw this malfunction and two others were able to manipulate it the same way. Its driving me insane as to what the problem was and if Kahr can do something to make it up to me.

:target::hurt:

[Chogers]

Trigger is smooth but I have heard that Kahr can make it even smoother?

[jocko]

shoot more rounds and it will smooth itself up. I don't see how kahr can make it any smoother than it already is. Because ur gun had to go back for some warranty work does not mean kahr owes u anything more than fixing it right...

[FLBri]

shoot more rounds and it will smooth itself up. I don't see how kahr can make it any smoother than it already is. Because ur gun had to go back for some warranty work does not mean kahr owes u anything more than fixing it right...

agreed completely. When you start demanding compensation in the form of extras, it puts a slant on the credibility of your claims. I'm not saying you are not speaking factually ... just that if these people are on your side, you will be pleased with the results. If you become a PATA (pain in the arse) to be talked about around the water cooler ... likely you won't get the extra mile treatment.

[jocko]

hell I have heard of kahr throwing in a magazine every once in awhile to a customer wirth issues. sh-t happens. Only thinng I expect when I send anya gun in to have it back fixed...

[Chogers]

Thanks for all the input. I have only had the gun for barely 2 weeks! I will keep you posted as to what they do for me. I would think they would do anything in their power to keep me satisfied. Retail on this gun is $1049. I guess if they dont want to "make it up to me" than I wont be driving any more Kahrs.

[Thunder71]

Oh boy... I smell entitlement.

Phew. :31:

In photography, professional photographers have new $4000+ camera BODIES fail, you know what they do? Grab their backup and get the job done, when they get back they send in their camera body to be repaired. Guess what they get back? The same camera, in working condition - no extras for inconvenience.

You know what the photographer does? Praises the customer service for fixing it and getting it back to them.

[Chogers]

Trusted products such as these and after doing my homework I wouldn't think that I would be the one with the faulty product. Especially after just 300 rounds. Oh well lets wait and see what Kahr does to fix it.

[Thunder71]

They'll get it fixed, and/or replace the broken pieces. It's definitely not a fun beginning though.

[TriggerMan]

Trigger is smooth but I have heard that Kahr can make it even smoother?Once upon a time, Kahr had two level of triggers, the better, smoother one was called Elite. Several years ago, Kahr went to all Elite triggers in all newly made guns. You have the best they can do. Maybe you'll get a free mag.

[TriggerMan]

So I have over 300 rounds through my PM9 now. First range day I put 200+ rounds through it. Still didnt feel like it was broken in. After cleaning it I took it to the range for a second time. I put another 100+ rounds through it. This time the gun actually got worse. Extractor would not eject the empty shell. Slide stayed closed after gun fired. Empty casing stayed in the gun. I had to pysically open the slide to eject it. It didnt matter if I strong holded it and locked my arms out or if I had a relaxed stance. I had two other guys from the store shoot it and the gun still continued to do it. And it wasnt the ammo because we tried several different kinds. It got so bad that it went from one round per mag to doing it every other one to doing it all the time. Needless to say its going back to Kahr and I hope they can make it right! I am pretty disappointed right now! I heard that you will know when it is broken in because it will just feel right. Well not so much so far. :32:Why did you buy the Mass. version of this gun?

[Chogers]

The PM9193N retails at $1049. I surely didn't pay that much. And don't call me Shirley!

[Chogers]

I wanted the thumb safety on mine. To each his own.

[Bawanna]

Exactly right, to each his own. I too hate it when people call me Shirley. Get's so old ya know?

[kahrlover123]

I'm shocked to hear a report that a new PM9 failed like the P380.
I currently own a PM9 (perfecto) and know few people own them too.
So far, I have not heard anyone (in real life and online) that PM9 has problem.

Keep us update about Kahr's service.
As far as make it up to you? The most they can do is "throwing a free mag" for you.

[Chogers]

I'm shocked to hear a report that a new PM9 failed like the P380.
I currently own a PM9 (perfecto) and know few people own them too.
So far, I have not heard anyone (in real life and online) that PM9 has problem.

Keep us update about Kahr's service.
As far as make it up to you? The most they can do is "throwing a free mag" for you.

Yeah I am hoping they make it right now. I wonder what was wrong with it. I will keep you guys posted.

[jocko]

no body wants to buy anything that doesn't work likeit is designed. Being this is a gun forum we gonna hear of the bad things always. : The nature of the beast so to say. I won a Porsche news bought in 06, sometimes whenI read on the Porsche forum it makes me wonder whaqt the fokk I did. When one gets a lemon, he tends to piss all over the lemon to make it even worse when he writes about it. My Porsche broke down in the first 600 miles, Porsche literally busted ass to take care of me to. I never said a bad word about the car eihter other than if asked I told them what happened and how great the service was to.
being in the automaotive business for over 69 years (family busness), I know good quality products sometimes go south. Not good when it happens to you that is for sure


Chogers, u have a few choices here, u can get really pissed and hammer kahrs all over the planet, which many do or u can let kahr make it right for you, which they will do. The first choice won't make the gun work any better but might give u some inside releif, I would choose the second choice. A gun never fails sitting in the drawer either:19:

[rogerthedodger]

Chogers, sorry to hear about your probs, but Kahr will make it right. And, very few PM9's are bad out of the box. I just did my first range report on mine-perfect!! So,hang in there!!

[Chogers]

UPDATE: Kahr sent back my PM9 back after having it for 2 weeks. Not a bad turn around time from what I have read from others. All they did was "rework the recoil spring" whatever that means and lube and test fire. I fired just 2 mags at the range to see how it reacted and it seems much smoother. No problems now. Thanks Kahr!

[Thunder71]

I bet they clipped a coil or two off the spring.

Let's hope this does it.

[Chogers]

I bet they clipped a coil or two off the spring.

Let's hope this does it.

U think that is all it was? Sounds strange to me that no one else has had this same problem.

[Thunder71]

Possibly, the replacement I just got was about 2 coils too long. Slide was tight as a drum. I cut a coil off and it's much better.

[Chogers]

You know what Thunder that is another thing. I wasnt getting that feeling of it being broke in after that magic number and I have over 300 through it now. Since the spring rework the slide seems a little looser. Not much just a little. Hoping it gets even better after a few more rounds.

[Thunder71]

My old spring that worked flawlessly from day one was 13.5 coils for what it's worth.

Should be golden now.

[Tnhillbilly]

UPDATE: Kahr sent back my PM9 back after having it for 2 weeks. Not a bad turn around time from what I have read from others. All they did was "rework the recoil spring" whatever that means and lube and test fire. I fired just 2 mags at the range to see how it reacted and it seems much smoother. No problems now. Thanks Kahr!

Ahhh Sweet! You got it! Im glad they got-er-dun for ya! :)