Look what happened to my $650 pm45

[mimi]

After 150 rounds, look what happened! Anyone else had this issue?

I spent a lot of money for something that should hold up better than a Keltec! The mag split on both sides causing a terrible jam. A piece of the frame rail has chipped off too. Pics included. :mad:

[yqtszhj]

Welcome to the Forum. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Bawanna or Greg are the .45 guru's. Others know quite a bit also.

There have been some mag issues lately. Give Kahr a call and they'll send you a new one.

On the frame picture I can't really tell if that's metal or part of the polymer. I had a little bit of something like that on my CM9 during breakin but it runs like a champ. No mag issues though. I would mention that to Kahr too if it's metal. Otherwise there is the lube and prep of a new Kahr sticky's that you can make sure to do if you haven't already. It makes a big difference. When you get your new mag lube up the PM45 like the sticky mentions and go enjoy the pistol. If there is a problem Kahr will fix it.

[jtsteiert]

After 150 rounds, look what happened! Anyone else had this issue?

I spent a lot of money for something that should hold up better than a Keltec! The mag split on both sides causing a terrible jam. A piece of the frame rail has chipped off too. Pics included. :mad:

Its sad to say but all guns regardless of manfacturer are subject to issues such as you are dealing with. Glocks, Sigs, Kahrs are all susceptable to problems... Its a mechanical thing, doesnt mean all from a particular mfg are bad.

[sierrajb]

Definitely send these pics to Kahr and give them a personal call ASAP. They will take care of it, rest assured.

[MW surveyor]

Well, I think you have a first with the mag splitting in that location. Most have split along the weld seam where the weld is. I may be wrong on this, but I'm sure someone will be along in a bit to give you more advice.

Kahr will replace the mag though without any grief on your part.

[Bawanna]

I think Wyn had some mags that split like that. His ended up being a gun issue and they replaced it. He split 5 or 6 mags as I recall. I think there have been some defective mags, too hard or something, brittle. We haven't heard as much about them lately as we did for awhile.
The frame at least from what I can see is a non issue. Just take an exacto knife or other sharp blade and trim that offending tupperware off and maybe just a bit of sanding for cosmetics.
It won't continue and it shouldn't cause any issues.
They may want you to send that magazine back in but they will send you a new one, order a second while your at it.
While it's a nuisance right now you'll come to love that gun, you really will.

[jocko]

The frame issue IMO looks like one could have force on the slide and actually cut intoi the front polymer portion of the dust dover rails. Kahr will not replace that lower section with what I can see, The mag is a defiitely yes they will. Whgat Bawanna and others have stared is true. Those polymer rao;ls ,merey guide the slide onto the gun, once on they service no purpose. Now what I would to, if it was mine and knowing what I know now and seeing mamny like this aso is get some fine sand paper and smooth out that front polymer portion and ur good to go. And be very careful when instaling that slide that the slide grooves dont try to cut that polymer rail. All those polymer rails do is align the slide properly to slide onto all 4 rails correctly, once the side is on, it won't or should not touch those rails. Again I have seen some of these polymer frames come out of the box in sorta ****-ty looking to, and the slide action will itself relieve any hight spots on those polymer rails to. rounds down range does wonders.

I would thinkj you just sending photos to kahr: attention eion or Jay should get your magazine replaced, I just do not see them doing anything about the slide, just myy 2 cents on this. U might ask though if they ask that u send the slide in, as to why if the photo shows it split like that, seems a waste of posage to me...

[Bawanna]

I suspect they might want to have the defective mag to show the vendor the issue. You called it a slide but I'm sure you meant magazine.
Hopefully they will send one and they can cross in the mail but sometimes they want the bad one before they will send the new one. The last time I heard of this the new went out the same day the old arrived so there shouldn't be much lag time.

[OldLincoln]

I agree with emailing pics. Let them decide about sending in the gun.

[jocko]

mimi: pure specuilation on my part but where did u buy the gun even. Sopme of these gun stroes can really fokk up a new gun by some of the employees messing around with them, trying to take them apart etc. not saying this happened--pure speculation. Knowing what I now now to, I would certainly opp for a polymer kahr that has not be man handled in a gun shop. I am sure u probalby could not check the gun out prior to buying it. to me looking at that ront portion f the polyme rn ur photo, it sure looks like a slide cut and than can only happenh if someone improperly put that slide on wrong. Mind u this is not going to hurt one thing, nadda, zero,

[OldLincoln]

I'm wondering now.... If you buy a new gun from an on-line source like Buid's and have it sent to your FFL, can you examine it at the FFL before the paperwork and if you find a flaw refuse it and have it sent back? Would Bud's take it back.

[Bawanna]

I'm wondering now.... If you buy a new gun from an on-line source like Buid's and have it sent to your FFL, can you examine it at the FFL before the paperwork and if you find a flaw refuse it and have it sent back? Would Bud's take it back.

Yes you can! And yes you should. The first step at your FFL should be to examine the gun and make sure your good with it. If not refuse to accept it. That saves a ton of paperwork should you decide to return it later on both ends. Your FFL will then send it back to the sender and no transfer will happen. The acception to this might be buying from a private seller like on an auction who specifically says he will not accept a return in which case I'd probably pass anyhow.
Any reputable dealer including private sellers will usually give you a 3 day inspection (unfired). That's from the time it gets to your FFL so the clock is ticking.

Bud's from what I hear would take it back even after you accept it. At least this is what I've heard. I've never had to send anything back.

[Mr_D]

One of my CW45's shows the rough edge on the frame like the OP's picture although not quite as bad and it's never been fired. Bought new and it wasn't the display model either.

[Mr_D]

Any reputable dealer including private sellers will usually give you a 3 day inspection (unfired). That's from the time it gets to your FFL so the clock is ticking.
Every shop around here has a no return policy on sold guns once the NICS check is run.

[TriggerMan]

Every shop around here has a no return policy on sold guns once the NICS check is run.
I think Bawanna was talking about dealers selling on the Internet. In my area, local dealers also wash their hands after the paperwork is done.

I hear if your store buys through Davidsons (distributor) there are circumstances where you can return or exchange.

[wyntrout]

I don't think that I've seen any split along the weld. It's always the top rear corners like the one pictured. Send pictures to Kahr, but they usually want you to return the magazine and they will replace that. It's USUALLY just the magazines, but my gun became a magazine destroyer, splitting 5 out of 6 with 4 different types and ages of mags. Kahr had to replace the frame because they duplicated the problem, and they replaced all 6 mags.

Those plastic rails can shed a lot of bits, but it doesn't "harm" anything. I've cleaned up quite a bit with a razor blade, but you have to be careful with the "aw sh!tz"... slips and such.

Wynn:)