View Full Version : A quick video of my success incorporating Greg's follower Mod/Update video added
jimsea
12-02-2011, 04:54 PM
http://youtu.be/AXPzeQSaVog (vid updated 1/8/13)
The modified Kahr follower on the left is the one used in the video. The only things different from Greg's tutorial I did, was I found it easier to hold the sandpaper in place and move the follower back and forth. I sanded the follower at an increased angle and nearly down to the visible seam on the backside of the follower. Even though my mod comes down further in the back, per Greg's tutorial it is important that you maintain the new transition point shown in his pic below.
Greg's thread.....http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=6943
Nice video, Thank You
What did you for the mag to fall free?
Bill K
12-02-2011, 06:26 PM
Nice vid! Good quality, informative, short and to the point.
Wish you had made of video of your doing the mod.
JFootin
12-02-2011, 06:31 PM
Great Video! This needs to be added as a post to Greg's thread.
yqtszhj
12-02-2011, 06:33 PM
Excellent video. That's how it outta work. Lucky me most times my CM9 factory mag will do that. My CW9 would not.
Bear549
12-02-2011, 06:41 PM
See what I do not understand is why Kahr would not make the followers like this in the first place?
crazymailman
12-02-2011, 06:42 PM
Nice job!
Hognutz
12-02-2011, 09:35 PM
Very nice..
Ikeo74
12-02-2011, 11:26 PM
You sure made racking the slide look easy. It takes me a full 5 finger grip and an arm push. Are you lifting weights? ;)
jeffe007
12-03-2011, 05:29 AM
That's what I thought would fix it! Hot damn!
TriggerMan
12-03-2011, 01:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9uGP1ek0CQ
The modified Kahr follower on the left is the one used in the video. The only things different from Greg's tutorial I did, was I found it easier to hold the sandpaper in place and move the follower back and forth. I sanded the follower at an increased angle and nearly down to the visible seam on the backside of the follower. Even though my mod comes down further in the back, per Greg's tutorial it is important that you maintain the new transition point shown in his pic below.
Greg's thread.....http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=6943Jim
It looks like a lot of material was removed. Does that effectively weaken the spring and is that a possible root cause (too strong a mag spring)?
Nice job, pics and video. This will definitely help some here.
jimsea
12-03-2011, 02:43 PM
Zero matl was removed from the front of the follower. So IMO there would be an insignificant amount of change in the travel of the mag spring.
The only significant change I can see in the mechanics of this mod is that rounds 6 through 2 reside inside the mag tube at a increased angle which causes round number 1 to be more substantially supported by the second which prevents round 1 movement in any direction other than to the ramp/barrel.
The theory as to why this mod works is that since the diameter of 9mm rounds are smaller in the front versus the back, they stack up in the mag tube skewed such that the noses of rounds 6-2 converge which consequently leaves the 1st round which is conforming to the angle of the mag lips, unsupported by the rounds underneath it. This scenario leaves a significant gap under the first round which allows it to nosedive unless you smack the bejeezus out of it with a crisp slingshot or slide stop release.
So, having said that, if you increase the angle of the follower, rounds 6-2 in the mag tube will still converge but they are positioned at an angle that supports the initial round coming off the mag lips.
I personally would rather have a choice in chambering method rather than be restricted to chambering rounds via slide stop as outlined in the manual.
Just a theory, but it works for me.
Markis82
12-03-2011, 03:46 PM
See what I do not understand is why Kahr would not make the followers like this in the first place?+1.
gb6491
12-03-2011, 04:32 PM
Nicely done jimsea! I really enjoyed the videohttp://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-score010.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Regards,
Greg
O'Dell
12-04-2011, 12:54 PM
Good job on the video and excellent pictures. You make it easy to understand.
Micha2u
12-05-2011, 09:25 AM
Super follow-up and video on Gregg's modification!
I was holding off but now am going to do the modification on one follower for now and the rest if it is as successful as your video.
ToneSurfer
12-05-2011, 07:38 PM
Can you post a pic or vid on how you position the mag in the vise to squeeze it? Do you squeeze the entire top of the mag (so it gets squished on all 4 corners), or do you squeeze just front part (rounded bullet end)?
Markis82
12-05-2011, 07:49 PM
Can you post a pic or vid on how you position the mag in the vise to squeeze it? Do you squeeze the entire top of the mag (so it gets squished on all 4 corners), or do you squeeze just front part (rounded bullet end)?Personally, I pushed the follower down and put a jeweler's screw driver through one of the holes to hold the follower down, and squeezed with a pliers from the top of the mag centered between the rounded side and the back side. Both the mag and the pliers were covered in blue painter's tape to avoid scratching. A few gentile squeezes and the job was done. The first time I tested it, it dropped free. I then took apart the mag, put the follower in by itself and confirmed it slid smoothly and didn't bind. Next checked the ammo went in and moved without problems. It was all good!
JFootin
12-05-2011, 07:52 PM
Can you post a pic or vid on how you position the mag in the vise to squeeze it? Do you squeeze the entire top of the mag (so it gets squished on all 4 corners), or do you squeeze just front part (rounded bullet end)?
I'll bet Greg has a video of it. You squeeze the flat SIDES of the mag up near the top, below where they curve in at the top. You're not trying to squeeze the corners! You'd break welds! The flat sides of the mag are just a hair wider apart near the top, and you are trying to bring them together a little bit to match their width further down. They may be spread apart up there a little bit as a result of bending the tops over. Once that little bulge is taken care of, the mag will drop free.
jimsea
12-05-2011, 09:54 PM
Can you post a pic or vid on how you position the mag in the vise to squeeze it? Do you squeeze the entire top of the mag (so it gets squished on all 4 corners), or do you squeeze just front part (rounded bullet end)?
It's just way too simple of a process...........
As said, the tops of most of the mags inadvertently flared a bit during the manufacturing process. You can damn near near lay it down flat on a sturdy counter top and give a whack with your hand near the top to bring back to where it needs to be to drop free. The dimensions of the corner edges of the backside of the mag actually do not change......that is how little force is required. It's the flat sides that bulge out ever so slightly near the top.
FWIW As far as the cracking I have read about in this forum, based on my experience working with metals in a machine shop (my younger days) I would say the problem is that the metal (for some batches) is just a hair too brittle to take the bend.
sierrajb
12-05-2011, 11:02 PM
See what I do not understand is why Kahr would not make the followers like this in the first place?
Probably because Kahr is not the MAKER of the magazines. From what I've learned, they farm this out to someone else who produces them. Am I right on this?
TriggerMan
12-05-2011, 11:16 PM
Probably because Kahr is not the MAKER of the magazines. From what I've learned, they farm this out to someone else who produces them. Am I right on this?I can't say ALL manufacturers outsource mags, however, I do know that SIG and Beretta
do. Keep in mind that the design specs and final QC are the manufacturers responsibility.
vn6869
12-06-2011, 08:14 AM
See what I do not understand is why Kahr would not make the followers like this in the first place?
Agreed, ok gurus why don't they??? :confused:
JFootin
12-06-2011, 12:04 PM
Agreed, ok gurus why don't they??? :confused:
I don't think anyone can answer that except Justin Moon, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. He and his company seem very stubborn on the issue.
jimsea
01-05-2012, 02:27 PM
Got a free 7 round mag yesterday. Made a quick video of the mag performing with it's original/stock follower versus the modified follower from the previous video in this thread.
http://youtu.be/WYlA4BouR-g
340pd
01-05-2012, 05:42 PM
Jim:
My PM9 has worked fine using the slingshot technique from day one so I never considered your "mag mod". Today I watched your latest video and learned something. You closed the slide very slowly. In doing that you created a failure to feed. I started to wonder if I ever needed to charge the gun quietly by slowly racking the slide what would happen. Sure enough, I got the same failure as you did in your video. I was using my 124 gr RN handloads. Reluctantly I pulled the follower out of my seldom used 7 rd magazine. A few strokes with 600 grit wrapped around a pencil and I tested it. Perfect. I took it apart again and took another few strokes with 800 grit just to polish it a little. This thing now feeds like a dream when I just barely let the slide home. I did all three of my magazines in less than 15 minutes. I took a much smaller amount off the follower than you did. I can always take more off if necessary but I think I got it. I will take everything to the range Saturday for a complete test. Thank you for your great work posting this.
jimsea
01-06-2012, 09:35 AM
Sure enough, I got the same failure as you did in your video.
Glad you got something out of the video. You make a valid point with regard to the tactical advantage of being able to chamber a round quietly, smoothly and with 100 percent reliability.
IMO the smoother a mechanical action is whether it be in a handgun or any other type of device, it will increase both reliability and longevity of the associated components.
9mm ammunition is peculiar in it's flared design, especially in a single stack application. Changing the rake angle of rounds 2-6 in the mag tube (or 2-7 in this case) by changing the angle of the follower, positions rounds 2-6 at angle that prevents nose dives by more favorably supporting the round being chambered. It's a very basic concept that is easy to incorporate if you want some added functionality and reliability when chambering the first round.
The best analogy I can think of is snatching a table cloth out from under a set of dishes. If you do it quick enough, the linear forces involved will leave the dishes intact on the table. This would be akin to using the slide stop or an aggressive slingshot to chamber the first round........the linear forces smack the back of the round hard enough so that it strikes the ramp at a high enough point so that it will chamber. But go slow, and the round drags on the mag lips and dives under the ramp due to lack of support from round 2.
jbrowncreative
01-07-2012, 10:01 PM
HERE ARE 3 VIDEOS OF MY GUN AFTER I DID THIS MOD TO IT, somethings still wrong with mine, feels very clunky and hard to handle, not at all like the guys youtube.be one
http://www.youtube.com/user/JamesBrownTown/videos
::edit:: also at this link you'll see a 4th video. entitled JAM, this is what happens when I try to LOAD MY GUN by locking the slide back, popping clip in, then releasing. It jams! Hence why I did this mod. What do you think of my slingshot method, and this jam video!
::edit:: when ever I do this, it makes and feels like a clunk then a clunk, then i have to go back over that clunk and clunk again. The idea of my gun ever performing like the video the guy posted a few threads before mine is just beyond me.. I think I just ended up with an old lemon
dean1818
01-08-2012, 07:23 AM
The mod may not work for everyone
I am on the fence as to whether i am going to do it, especially after the most recent post.
However, if you were an "outsider" watching the video you may not purchase a kahr at all.
An extra follower isnt the worst thing to have around
jimsea
01-08-2012, 11:15 AM
HERE ARE 3 VIDEOS OF MY GUN AFTER I DID THIS MOD TO IT, somethings still wrong with mine, feels very clunky and hard to handle, not at all like the guys youtube.be one
http://www.youtube.com/user/JamesBrownTown/videos
::edit:: also at this link you'll see a 4th video. entitled JAM, this is what happens when I try to LOAD MY GUN by locking the slide back, popping clip in, then releasing. It jams! Hence why I did this mod. What do you think of my slingshot method, and this jam video!
::edit:: when ever I do this, it makes and feels like a clunk then a clunk, then i have to go back over that clunk and clunk again. The idea of my gun ever performing like the video the guy posted a few threads before mine is just beyond me.. I think I just ended up with an old lemon
The follower mod in my video is for a CM9. Your video indicates you have a PM40, hence I doubt there can be any valid post mod comparisons between the two handguns. Additionally, the follower mod is designed to prevent nose diving which does not seem to be the case in your video.
Replay13
01-09-2012, 10:41 PM
Got a free 7 round mag yesterday. Made a quick video of the mag performing with it's original/stock follower versus the modified follower from the previous video in this thread.
http://youtu.be/WYlA4BouR-g
Nice video Jim,
I was thinking of trying something like that with my 7 round mag that sometimes had nose dive jams (my 6 round mag runs good). But I don't have my 7 round mag anymore, mailed it back to Kahr today for exchange on another 6 round mag. I want to add that I was impressed on how fast Jay at Kahr answered my email!
Anyways thanks for all the info and the videos. I do have one question... I see it feeds super slick hand racking the slide, now I am curious about how many rounds have you fired through your pistol with the modified follower?
Thanks again, very interesting post!
James
p.s. one more question... how do you get free mags?? :D
TucsonMTB
01-09-2012, 11:50 PM
The follower mod in my video is for a CM9. Your video indicates you have a PM40, hence I doubt there can be any valid post mod comparisons between the two handguns. Additionally, the follower mod is designed to prevent nose diving which does not seem to be the case in your video.You may be onto something there. I have a couple of PM40s and have found that a little more aggressive version of Greg's modification works well for me.
In addition to sanding the added clearance for the magazine catch in the side of the follower to prevent any second round nose dives while shooting, take a look at the pictures below to see the changes I make to the top of the followers. To help illustrate the results, you can see the dimensions of a new (virgin) and a modified follower.
Remember that the purpose of that modification is to put added pressure on the front of the round.
http://viewsfromtucson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/0-Side-View1.jpg
Side view showing the increased nose up angle after sanding (near follower) compared to the virgin follower behind it.
http://viewsfromtucson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/2-Rear-View.jpg
Notice that I take quite a bit more material off than Greg showed in his pictures.
http://viewsfromtucson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/3-New-Follower.jpg
The new (virgin) follower is about 0.64 inches tall in the rear before sanding.
http://viewsfromtucson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/4-Sanded-Dimension.jpg
After sanding, the rear of the modified follower is down to less than 0.52" tall.
Sanding is a bit of a misnomer. I use a large round file first and then wrap sandpaper around it for a smoother finish. The last sanding is usually done with 1500 grit wet-or-dry paper.
http://viewsfromtucson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/6-Three-Qtr-View.jpg
This three quarter view tries to show how much greater the support of the cartridge is in the front of the modified follower on the right.
In my experience, pushing up on the front of the cartridge forces the top cartridge firmly up against lips at the top of the magazine giving your best chance of trouble free feeding.
As always this is just how I did it and what works for me. YMMV. ;)
jimsea
01-10-2012, 09:44 PM
Can't speak for the PM40 because I don't own one. However, if nose diving is an issue then increasing the rake angle of the rounds in the mag tube may remedy the issue.
My CM9 has worked flawlessly out of the box. Thus far I have shot just over 500 of a variety of rounds. I recognized early on two issues. One, the mag did not drop free and two, hand racking the first round other than an aggressive sling shot or slide stop release resulted in a nose dive jam under the ramp.
Regarding these two issues, reading this forum provided guidance and simple remedies to resolve both issues. A simple squeeze to the upper front of the mag tube in a vice, to bring it within specs, and 15 minutes or so of sanding the follower to increase the rake angle of the rounds in the mag tube have "improved" a handgun that otherwise worked as designed by Kahr. No other modifications have been performed on the handgun.
jimsea
01-11-2012, 09:06 AM
TMTB's pics prodded me to do some of my own for comparison.
Just a reminder that his pics refer to the PM40.......and mine to the CM9.
First pic is a round resting on a modified Kahr follower staged in front of a virgin Kahr follower.
Second pic is the round presentation in the 6 rnd mag tube with the modified Kahr follower, and finally the third pic is the round presentation in the same mag tube with the virgin Kahr follower. Quite a bit of difference and you can see why the nose diving is eliminated by this simple modification.
frbejarano
01-11-2012, 11:54 PM
Why will Kahr not do this themselves? Some one should make them aware of this! Sorry......I'm sure the suggestion has been made.
frbejarano
01-11-2012, 11:56 PM
Can this be done with the P380? Mine won't feed pdx1 ammo with out nosediving and getting hung up on the feed ramp.
jimsea
01-12-2012, 08:41 AM
Can this be done with the P380?
Don't have a P380 but will say that followers are a fairly cheap item to replace if you don't get the desired results.
DJK11
01-12-2012, 09:16 AM
A follower for a Ruger LCP drops into a P380 mag. Might give a try.
TucsonMTB
01-12-2012, 11:12 AM
A follower for a Ruger LCP drops into a P380 mag. Might give a try.
Yeah, and if you have any Kel-Tec P-3AT mags around, try that follower.
Early on, the LCP mags used the same follower as the Kel-Tec (same mag manufacturer, BTW). When they switched to their own design, they experienced interferrence with the magazine catch, similar to the Kahr second round nose dive issues. Sanding the newer LCP follower or dropping in a Kel-Tec follower (which had noticeably more clearance for the the catch) was the answer. ;)
rogerthedodger
01-12-2012, 11:52 AM
Can this be done with the P380? Mine won't feed pdx1 ammo with out nosediving and getting hung up on the feed ramp.
I am wondering the same thing, my P380 wont feed flat nose WWB because the 2nd round hangs on the feed ramp(and dents the end of the bullet).
frbejarano, if you try it, let us know the results on your P380.
WilliamG
01-12-2012, 03:47 PM
I'd like to chime in, and say that while the video is very interesting showing how "easy" it is to load each Gold Dot round with the modified follower, loading any round that way is definitely considered a failure to feed, and I certainly wouldn't trust my life to a chamber like that...
Now I personally have not had a failure to feed of any sort if loaded correctly, and I use Gold Dots in practice a lot, since it's my carry round. Absolutely I can get the round hung up if I just gently pull back the slide and let it move forward like in the above videos. However, under normal loading circumstances, via slingshot or slide-release, rounds load with no trouble. I've even tried pushing the top round on a full magazine down a little, so it's actually pointing almost horizontally in the magazine, and it still loads just fine.
So, something is definitely going on with the magazines or the guns to cause some people to have catastrophic nosediving with Gold Dots. That said, I've no idea what the problem is. :)
jimsea
01-12-2012, 04:19 PM
.............under normal loading circumstances, via slingshot or slide-release, rounds load with no trouble.
...............and indeed those two methods of chambering the first round are as designed by Kahr and subsequently outlined in the operator's manual.
The purpose of the modified follower is to add even greater functionality by adding a "third" method for chambering the first round. Chambering a round slowly takes nothing away from the aggressive slingshot or slide-release method.
TucsonMTB
01-12-2012, 04:23 PM
So, something is definitely going on with the magazines or the guns to cause some people to have catastrophic nosediving with Gold Dots. That said, I've no idea what the problem is. :)
I'm guessing Kahr is similarly mystified, possibly because a small enough percentage of their pistols exhibit this behavior.
Of course, being part of a small percentage is no real comfort if your Kahr happens to be one of the guns that is reluctant to feed.
Fortunately, a little follower sanding can help. Guns from every manufacturer seem to have individual personalities. The may be a little like people. Most of us don't entirely warm up to everyone we meet on the street. :rolleyes:
WilliamG
01-12-2012, 04:38 PM
This is fair enough. Be easier to troubleshoot if you had a PM9 that feeds reliably vs one that doesn't. What does Kahr do/say when you send in an unreliable firearm for this issue?
kahrcrazy13
01-12-2012, 04:42 PM
sorry if this question seems stupid! i just recently got my first kahr tp 45 i need to do the same to my mag . but I'm scared I'm going to mess my clip up and there so exspensive ! but here is my question when you have some free time or if u have a mag u havnt sanded yet can you please sand one while making a youtube video and post so i know what I'm doing and how far i should sand so i don't mess up my mag ? i know i seem slow but I'm one of them people who learn by watching someone eles do it i need a mental picture lol ;)
Tilos
01-12-2012, 05:16 PM
kahrcrazy13:
It would only be the $11 follower that you would "mess up".
I would suggest you buy a new one and have it on hand before you do the mods.
It's a magazine/mag, not a clip,
Tilos
jimsea
01-12-2012, 09:45 PM
It would only be the $11 follower that you would "mess up".
LOL. This mod is about a simple adjustment that adds functionality. Substitute the word "functionality" for the word "cash" in this Capital One ad and that is how this thread is playing out. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME5NJj_iEbw
jimsea
01-13-2012, 03:33 PM
............Six rounds in one second.
Seeing that I've done 2 videos on how slow you can go racking with the modified follower, today I got bored and decided to see just how fast I could run them through.
Still have not been able to produce a jam with rapid fire at the range, racking slow, or running them through quick.........
http://youtu.be/YIwfwDaa7Hc
340pd
01-13-2012, 06:00 PM
Jim: I take it that Hogue grip is the Jr. model installed upside down. Does it ever get snagged in your clothing or pocket?
jimsea
01-14-2012, 08:52 AM
Jim: I take it that Hogue grip is the Jr. model installed upside down. Does it ever get snagged in your clothing or pocket?
Yes, H-jr installed upside down and lightly coated with 3M spray glue before install. The grip and the Desantis pocket holster both help the weapon stay in place in the pocket which 90 percent of the time is a pair cargo-style shorts.
When I draw, my hand is of course covering the grip and the Desantis holds the pocket so the gun comes out smoothly.
ajbpsu
02-16-2012, 09:46 AM
Jim,
Did you bevel the top of the follower to allow it to fit within the feed lips?
I can not tell by the pics. Also, the video has been removed!
Thanks
SixPak
01-10-2013, 12:10 AM
I'd like to say a big "THANKS" to the OP for this magazine mod. I bought a used PM9 Black slide and found that I couldn't slingshot the first round in a full magazine. Thanks to this mod, I can now slingshot the first round with ease. I tried Gold Dot 124gr JHP's and they load just fine with no jamming.
This is why I love informative forums! Thanks again!
jimsea
01-10-2013, 11:02 AM
Glad it worked out for you.
FWIW I had previously posted some videos on my lovely wife's youtube acct which were subsequently deleted by her since I had not told her about them.
Here is a recent vid posted on a related thread.
Here are some pics and a short video taken today that show an original follower on the left and a modified follower next to it on the right......9mm (2pics) .40 (2 pics). Pic number one is also a good illustration of the flair peculiar to 9mm ammo in the mag tube and why extra sanding is required to help compensate for it.
The last pic is of an unmodified/stock Wilson Combat follower which shows essentially the form/support you get with a properly designed follower. This is what you are creating when you sand the original Kahr follower. You are adapting it to support the ammo caliber so you don't beat your gun to death, break followers, or crack mag tubes.
Here is today's vid: http://youtu.be/AXPzeQSaVog
It is a shame Kahr uses a generic follower that requires a slide stop release to chamber a round (pg 16 of manual). Tactically speaking this curtails the ability to execute the tap, rack, bang method of clearing a malfunction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJaQvV6q-D8
http://kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7260&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1357685272
http://kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7261&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1357685282
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http://kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7264&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1357685312
JFootin
01-10-2013, 11:15 AM
Man, that's a great video! This modification is obviously a great improvement. Why don't Kahr look at all of this evidence and change the design of the followers? Are they asleep, in denial or do they just not care about getting the nagging problem of a poor mag design solved?
muggsy
01-10-2013, 11:30 AM
Both my CM9 and P380 run just fine with the stock mag followers. I modified the follower in my original mag for the CM9, but since the break-in period all of the mags that I bought subsequently have worked without any modification. I would only modify a mag if it failed to consistently feed properly.
jimsea
01-10-2013, 11:30 AM
Man, that's a great video! This modification is obviously a great improvement. Why don't Kahr look at all of this evidence and change the design of the followers? Are they asleep, in denial or do they just not care about getting the nagging problem of a poor mag design solved?
Kahr sure makes an outstanding weapon and this is coming from a guy who owns Kimber, WC and DW. I absolutely love carrying a Kahr especially during warm wx which is most of the time in FL.
That being said, a pistol can only be as good as its weakest component. The mag tubes are OK IMO if you tweak them to drop free. Not hard to do. This should be checked prior to shipment. However, the followers need to be scraped altogether and replaced with a good fitting follower that supports the ammo sufficiently in the mag tube. Doing this will eliminate nose dives and deliver the round reliably to the feed ramp while hand racking.
Per Kahr's statement on pg 16 of the instruction manual, admitting that anything other than a slide stop release may result in a FTF is unacceptable IMO for a SD weapon.
The mod to the follower makes the pistol run smoothly from day one. While true, you can smash rounds into the chamber with the slide stop until the gun loosens up enough for a crisp hand rack......why beat your gun like that?
I also wanted to add for new gun owners.........if you are cycling rounds in your new pistol at home with the slide release and the original Kahr follower to help get though the break in, make sure those rounds are properly disposed of before going to the range.......do not fire them. This is due to the likelihood of bullet setback. Setback is not a good thing.
Em6726
02-01-2013, 11:03 PM
Im surprised the Chinese haven't capitalized on a follower that works for the P380. Im not bashing my P380 but I agree that its followers are out of tolerance by approx 1/16" or more. The follower is sloppy in the magazine and nose dives rounds right into the chamber feed ramp and not the chamber. Hope the Chinrese come out with one soon.
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