Hmmmm

[Chogers]

So did Kahr make the CM9 for people who could not afford a PM9? :eek:

[Thunder71]

Without it, the Keltec PF9, Ruger LC9 and now the Beretta Nano would have ran that market.

Good strategic move by Kahr.

However anyone with a CM9 should consider replacing the polymer sights to something a bit more rugged for a daily carry weapon.

The way I see it, you take a CM9 (no promotions), add an extra magazine to equal what the PM9 comes with, and add better sights - you're pretty much at the cost of a PM9 anyway. If you want it black, that's at least another $75 for Cerakote or similar.

Really just depends on what you want out of it... I think most people will take the one off the shelf and be quite content for years, but I do see the plastic sights being an issue in the long term, if not the short term.

[Chogers]

Well that is true. Do you know if the triggers differ any between the two? I love my PM9 trigger!

[BuckeyeBlast]

I don't know if it's "couldn't afford" it, but maybe just people who didn't want to spend that much. The sub compact 9 market has gotten pretty competitive, and some people don't feel they need the refinements of the PM9. There's nothing wrong w/ the CM9. Just different guns for different people.

[Thunder71]

Well that is true. Do you know if the triggers differ any between the two? I love my PM9 trigger!

Same trigger in all Kahr models.

[Rio Vista Slim]

In my particular case, it had nothing to do with "afford". My local gun shop had one used PM9, and one new CM9 in stock at the time of my purchase.

Since I wanted a new gun, I went with the CM9. I have been extremely pleased with the pistol.

[Markis82]

Pretty much.


The way I see it, you take a CM9 (no promotions), add an extra magazine to equal what the PM9 comes with, and add better sights - you're pretty much at the cost of a PM9 anyway. If you want it black, that's at least another $75 for Cerakote or similar.

Really just depends on what you want out of it... I think most people will take the one off the shelf and be quite content for years, but I do see the plastic sights being an issue in the long term, if not the short term.CM9 - about $375 night sights $80 mag $35 = $490 Tell me where I can get a PM9 with night sights for $490.

[Thunder71]

Nitpick away. I wrote "pretty much", find "identical" yourself.

$86 difference is 'pretty much' in my mind.

[Markis82]

Nitpick away. I wrote "pretty much", find "identical" yourself.

$86 difference is 'pretty much' in my mind.Pm with night sights about $690 CM with same about $490. $200 is not $85.00.

[Markis82]

Nitpick away. I wrote "pretty much", find "identical" yourself.

$86 difference is 'pretty much' in my mind.Pm with night sights about $690 CM with same about $490. $200.00 is not $85.00.

[Thunder71]

Yawn.

[Markis82]

Yawn.You might not think that $200.00 is a significant difference between the two, but some other people might. Darn near 1000 rounds of 9mm ammo.

[Thunder71]

It is, but now you're talking apples to apples so throw in a polygonal barrel for the PM9. My point is that the sights should be changed on the CM9, the PM9 sights need not be replaced as they are not plastic.

You added night sights, not me.

[Markis82]

It is, but now you're talking apples to apples so throw in a polygonal barrel for the PM9. My point is that the sights should be changed on the CM9, the PM9 sights need not be replaced as they are not plastic.

You added night sights, not me.Well in that case one would only need to change the front sight of the CM9. Further lowering the cost on the CM. Stock PM9 about $600. CM with extra mag and replaced front sight about $420.00 Therefore when all is said and done, the cost for the difference in barrel types and the fancy engraving on the PM is about $180.00

[Thunder71]

My opinion stands, I assume yours does as well. No sense going back and forth all day long over something so miniscule.

[Markis82]

My opinion stands, I assume yours does as well. No sense going back and forth all day long over something so miniscule.Opinion and fact are two very different things. I don't however see $180 as miniscule. But, you are entitled. Enjoy your day. (not meant to be sarcastic)

[Thunder71]

Minuscule as in a small portion of my original post.

Lets add some more facts...

Fact:
Injection molded slide stop lever vs machined from steel.

Fact:
Less machining on the slide assembly.

Second one you can take it or leave it, but the first one is a quality improvement for the PM9, no matter how big or small it turns out to be.

Fact:
The CM9 is cheaper to make, and therefore does not have all the quality of the PM9 put into it, does it matter? That's up to the buyer and their needs... which I said in my first post.

Some of the differences are cosmetic, others are not... and the barrel is probably a toss up.

I'm not arguing that one shoots better than the other, but you cannot deny that the PM9 has more attention to detail and higher quality components from the factory.

Is it worth the difference, that's for everyone to decide on their own.

[Markis82]

Minuscule as in a small portion of my original post.

Lets add some more facts...

Fact:
Injection molded slide stop lever vs machined from steel.

Fact:
Less machining on the slide assembly.

Second one you can take it or leave it, but the first one is a quality improvement for the PM9, no matter how big or small it turns out to be.

Fact:
The CM9 is cheaper to make, and therefore does not have all the quality of the PM9 put into it, does it matter? That's up to the buyer and their needs... which I said in my first post.

Some of the differences are cosmetic, others are not... and the barrel is probably a toss up.

I'm not arguing that one shoots better than the other, but you cannot deny that the PM9 has more attention to detail and higher quality components from the factory.

Is it worth the difference, that's for everyone to decide on their own.Well, if the barrel is a toss-up, and the replacement cost of the slide stop of either gun is $22.50. Beside the front sight, what quality components are in the PM that are not in the CM? If we're dealing with facts.

[Thunder71]

I'm glad I have a PM9 and would buy another if needed. Others are just as happy with their CM9.

Kahr did good, everyone's happy.

[Bill K]

To me the snob appeal of owning the PM9 far out weighs all other facts or feelings of comparison to the CM9. :)

Actually I'm kinda glad the CM9 wasn't readily available at the time I bought my PM9. I'd probably still be going back and forth on which one to buy. :)

[Thunder71]

LMAO!

Me too, but I would have bought the CM9 then sold it to get the PM9 because it's what I originally wanted.

[Devo]

I believe the CM9 was Kahr's response to the PF9 and LC9 price point. You may have noticed the LC9 has been lowered and can be had for $50.00 less than the CM9. I believe that is Ruger's response to the CM9. I purchased the CM9 instead of the PM9 because the PM9 is the luxury model. Luxury was not a requirement for my purchase.

[muggsy]

So did Kahr make the CM9 for people who could not afford a PM9? :eek:

I can afford just about any gun I want. I preferred the CM9 because of the standard barrel rifling. I reload and shoot a lot of lead. Polygonal barrels don't handle lead well. I'm upgrading the front sight to steel, though I don't think that the sights on a gun intended for close up personal defense are all that critical. I did order a spare mag. I didn't need the snob appeal of the PM9.

[BuckeyeBlast]

I never would've thought of the PM9 as having "snob appeal", but based on the way this thread started, I'd guess that maybe I was wrong.

[O'Dell]

It is, but now you're talking apples to apples so throw in a polygonal barrel for the PM9. My point is that the sights should be changed on the CM9, the PM9 sights need not be replaced as they are not plastic.

You added night sights, not me.

I plan to get a CM45 when they are released, not because I can't afford a PM, [I've already had one] but because I see no need to pay an extra $150 for features that mean little to me. I have polygonal barrels on a PM9 and my HK's, but other than being a bit easier to clean, I see no difference. As for the sights, if they break, I'll replace them, but I'm fine with polymer until then.

[Thunder71]

That's why they have both.

CM45? Where did you hear this?

[Markis82]

I plan to get a CM45 when they are released, not because I can't afford a PM, [I've already had one] but because I see no need to pay an extra $150 for features that mean little to me. I have polygonal barrels on a PM9 and my HK's, but other than being a bit easier to clean, I see no difference. As for the sights, if they break, I'll replace them, but I'm fine with polymer until then.Exactly. But $150.00 difference is a bit conservative. Stock PM9 $572.30. Stock CM9 $356.99. ~ Cheaper Than Dirt. That is a difference of $251.31. $105.68 more and you can buy 2 CM9's.

[JFootin]

To me the snob appeal of owning the PM9 far out weighs all other facts or feelings of comparison to the CM9. :)

Actually I'm kinda glad the CM9 wasn't readily available at the time I bought my PM9. I'd probably still be going back and forth on which one to buy. :)

Snob appeal? I'll give you snob appeal! The strait, clean lines of the CM9 slide make the custom mirror polish on my gun look better than it would on a PM9! :D

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/My%20Custom%20CM9/KahrCM9PolishedLSwMagandBullets.jpg

[Chogers]

Ok I started this thread to see what people had to say. I for one chose the PM9 because I wanted everything I could get for the price. I chose the PM9193N. I purchased this gun for $850. It retails for $1049. It has the safety I wanted. The CM9 had no thumb safety option. I also bought the night sites. I figured go big or go home. This is my main carry gun so I really didnt feel like carrying a cheap version of the Kahr when my life is counting on it. Not only that but as some of you are going to ask why did you buy the Mass. compliant version??? Well I wanted a thumb safety. I did not like the Ruger LC9.

[Chogers]

Snob appeal? I'll give you snob appeal! The strait, clean lines of the CM9 slide make the custom mirror polish on my gun look better than it would on a PM9! :D

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/My%20Custom%20CM9/KahrCM9PolishedLSwMagandBullets.jpg


Wont all that polishing show scratches alot more and isnt actually easier to scratch now? Also what about concealment? Its shiny! :roll:

[Markis82]

Ok I started this thread to see what people had to say. I for one chose the PM9 because I wanted everything I could get for the price. I chose the PM9193N. I purchased this gun for $850. It retails for $1049. It has the safety I wanted. The CM9 had no thumb safety option. I also bought the night sites. I figured go big or go home. This is my main carry gun so I really didnt feel like carrying a cheap version of the Kahr when my life is counting on it. Not only that but as some of you are going to ask why did you buy the Mass. compliant version??? Well I wanted a thumb safety. I did not like the Ruger LC9.There in lies the misconception. The CM9 is far from "a cheap version of the Kahr" More expensive does not necessarily mean better. The thumb safety is a different issue altogether. Yes, it is not available on the CM, yet. Personally, I'd never want a thumb safety on a double action carry gun. But like carrying with and empty chamber, if that makes you feel comfortable, I guess you need it.

[MO_Soldier]

There in lies the misconception. The CM9 is far from "a cheap version of the Kahr" More expensive does not necessarily mean better. The thumb safety is a different issue altogether. Yes, it is not available on the CM, yet. Personally, I'd never want a thumb safety on a double action carry gun. But like carrying with and empty chamber, if that makes you feel comfortable, I guess you need it.

I don't do either. NO safety, ROUND CHAMBERED.

But, I'd choose a safety over condition 3 any day!

[Devo]

IMHO.. Inexpensive and Cheap is not the same thing.
The word Cheap as it comes across in your post means inferior.

Is the CM9 a value? If the reliability is there you bet it is.

I personally didn't detect the snobbery of this thread until your "go big or go home" comment.

[JFootin]

Wont all that polishing show scratches alot more and isnt actually easier to scratch now? Also what about concealment? Its shiny! :roll:

It doesn't scratch easily at all, and I have some Flitz to polish it up occasionally. I conceal it IWB under a cover garment or down next to my junk in a Smartcarry holster. Nobody gets to see the shiny unless I want them to. :D

I was just needling those other guys. :19:

You did well, got the gun you wanted. But then, so did I. :D Now, go shoot it like you stole it! :53:

[MO_Soldier]

...down next to my junk in a Smartcarry holster. Nobody gets to see the shiny unless I want them to. :D

Sir, you one-up Lil' Wayne and his gold teeth my having that kinda shiny junk!

[Thunder71]

I guess since we're talking about why we got what we did...

The PM9 was the best concealed carry gun on the market that I knew of at the time, and has exceeded my expectations greatly. I've since added the MK9 which is THE best concealed carry gun on the market.

Your opinion may vary. :p

Hell, I may add a CM9 just to complete the collection at this point, but for now I'm holding out for an MK45. :cool:

[JFootin]

Sir, you one-up Lil' Wayne and his gold teeth my having that kinda shiny junk!

Well, I don't show it off when I am out and about. Just here on the forum. Wouldn't be proper form. :cool: I consider it a fine gentleman's firearm, not that I'm a fine gentleman or won't let the burps and farts fly when I'm at home! :eek:

Popcorn, anyone? :popcorn:

[Thunder71]

I still think you need pearl grip overlays on that gun. :p

[JFootin]

I guess since we're talking about why we got what we did...

The PM9 was the best concealed carry gun on the market that I knew of at the time, and has exceeded my expectations greatly. I've since added the MK9 which is THE best concealed carry gun on the market.

Your opinion may vary. :p

Hell, I may add a CM9 just to complete the collection at this point, the but for now I'm holding out for an MK45. :cool:

You have impeccable taste, my friend! :yo:

[Thunder71]

I'm just glad we're all here, alive and well, enjoying our guns and having some fun.

I just wish we were all at the range together doing just that.

[Ubaldo99]

"So did Kahr make the CM9 for people who could not afford a PM9?" :eek:

Yes, we CM9'ers know that we are second-class citizens... just barely tolerated by our upper-class PM9'er brethren. Please dont rub it in! :D

[JFootin]

I'm just glad we're all here, alive and well, enjoying our guns and having some fun.

I just wish we were all at the range together doing just that.

Now, that sounds like some fun!

[O'Dell]

That's why they have both.

CM45? Where did you hear this?

I haven't heard it yet, but they have the CM9 and just released the CM40. It would seem that a CM45 is in the works.

[Markis82]

I'm just glad we're all here, alive and well, enjoying our guns and having some fun.

I just wish we were all at the range together doing just that.Then I'd be able to show you-all how to put 50 rounds thru the same hole at 15 yards with a CM9. :D

[Thunder71]

Then I'd be able to show you-all how to put 50 rounds thru the same hole at 15 yards with a CM9. :D

I'm game! Nice shootin'!

[Markis82]

I'm game! Nice shootin'!One of the ranges I go to has targets like a dart board. My buddies and I often shoot for best dart score. Total fun while being great practice.

[Thunder71]

Yeah, those are fun - I've printed similar but always forget them when I head to the range!

[BuckeyeBlast]

I figured go big or go home. This is my main carry gun so I really didnt feel like carrying a cheap version of the Kahr when my life is counting on it.

Wow. Seriously Chogers, you're really making it look like you have no idea of what you're talking about.
http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/923-facepalm.gif

[Thunder71]

All Kahr's rule.

Guys, we're arguing about the best of the best, nobody should be offended... I mean we're talking the top 2% here.

;)

[jocko]

I haven't heard it yet, but they have the CM9 and just released the CM40. It would seem that a CM45 is in the works.

the cm45 has to be next in line. I would be surprised if we see this cm40 before the first of the year, but it will be coming soon..:popcorn:

[wyntrout]

I wouldn't mind a CM380. I'm always looking for my P380 'cause I take it off and lay it where I'm doing whatever... shaving... throne, whatever. then I wander off and wonder what I did with it... like the half dozen pairs of reading glasses that wind up in one spot!

Wynn:)

[Chogers]

It doesn't scratch easily at all, and I have some Flitz to polish it up occasionally. I conceal it IWB under a cover garment or down next to my junk in a Smartcarry holster. Nobody gets to see the shiny unless I want them to. :D

I was just needling those other guys. :19:

You did well, got the gun you wanted. But then, so did I. :D Now, go shoot it like you stole it! :53:

Nice! Is that custom work you can get from Kahr? How much does it cost?

[muggsy]

Snob appeal? I'll give you snob appeal! The strait, clean lines of the CM9 slide make the custom mirror polish on my gun look better than it would on a PM9! :D

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/My%20Custom%20CM9/KahrCM9PolishedLSwMagandBullets.jpg


It doesn't scratch easily at all, and I have some Flitz to polish it up occasionally. I conceal it IWB under a cover garment or down next to my junk in a Smartcarry holster. Nobody gets to see the shiny unless I want them to. :D

I was just needling those other guys. :19:

You did well, got the gun you wanted. But then, so did I. :D Now, go shoot it like you stole it! :53:

Do you have to squint if you shoot it in broad daylight? :)

[Chogers]

I'm just glad we're all here, alive and well, enjoying our guns and having some fun.

I just wish we were all at the range together doing just that.

I like the way you think Thunder! :D

[Chogers]

Wow. Seriously Chogers, you're really making it look like you have no idea of what you're talking about.
http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/923-facepalm.gif

I am sorry if you dont know how to interpret my opinion. Everyone has one. If you cant take the heat stay out of the kitchen. Step aside please while I make my way through to my leader.

[Chogers]

"So did Kahr make the CM9 for people who could not afford a PM9?" :eek:

Yes, we CM9'ers know that we are second-class citizens... just barely tolerated by our upper-class PM9'er brethren. Please dont rub it in! :D

Kahr did the right thing by appealing to the market of other similiar priced tiny 9mms. As someone put it before. A very smart move by Kahr.

[JFootin]

Nice! Is that custom work you can get from Kahr? How much does it cost?

I bought it from a guy. Didn't ask who did it or how much it cost. Kahr does offer a polish job. I don't know the details or remember the price, but it seemed reasonable.


Do you have to squint if you shoot it in broad daylight? :)

I haven't tried shooting it in the direction of the sun at early morning or late afternoon. But if I have the sights lined up on the target, I cannot see the top of the slide.

[BuckeyeBlast]

I am sorry if you dont know how to interpret my opinion. Everyone has one. If you cant take the heat stay out of the kitchen. Step aside please while I make my way through to my leader.

The problem is that we do know how to interpret your opinion. ;) I'm not 'warm' at all, just feel embarrassed for you.

So enlighten me, what is it about the CM9 that makes it less reliable in a self defense situation? What's the basis for your opinion? How long have you been carrying and what experiences you have? Sure you can have an opinion, but how about sharing what you base it on?

[stuch77]

All Kahr's rule.

Guys, we're arguing about the best of the best, nobody should be offended... I mean we're talking the top 2% here.

;)
^^^
this these guns are the upper 2% in concealed carry weapons. the kel-tec pf9 is junk the ruger lc9 is decent but has that stupid mag saftey. the only contender to these little guns is the sig p290 and the nano. but the nano is still unproven. so i say these kahrs are topshelf.

[BuckeyeBlast]

^^^
this these guns are the upper 2% in concealed carry weapons. the kel-tec pf9 is junk the ruger lc9 is decent but has that stupid mag saftey. the only contender to these little guns is the sig p290 and the nano. but the nano is still unproven. so i say these kahrs are topshelf.

I'm primarily a Ruger and Colt guy, I really liked the LC9 from it's initial reports. I was interested enough even to look past the stupid thumb safety, until I held one... Wow, that gun just felt horrible in my hands. I can't recall holding any other gun where the backstrap is so much wider than the front of the grip. It really felt awkward. I'd be interested in the Nano, but agree that of the subcompact 9s, the Kahr lineup is simply the best. I can't think of any other mfgr offering as many different options of the same basic design/caliber. (poly, metal, finishes, dovetailed or non, etc) And while Kahr may still have it's share of reliability problems as a whole, the 9s seem to be the best of the bunch.

[jlottmc]

Jfootin, you just had to go and throw the shiney out didn't you. This thread has had an attempted jacking, next time throw shiney and get it right. ;)

[jocko]

oik gun nuts, I just seen in the NRA magazine someone is offering a 2 shot 45 pocket rocket that holds 2 spasres in the grip. No price given. WTF do u guys think of this. About the same weight as my PM9 and smaller but 2 shots, even as a 45 is that enough, I would think this gun would bounce one around lkke a rubber ball to. No reports on it aht I have found. One think about itk, THERE WILLBE NO MAGAZINE ISSUES at all!!!!!

[BuckeyeBlast]

oik gun nuts, I just seen in the NRA magazine someone is offering a 2 shot 45 pocket rocket that holds 2 spasres in the grip. No price given. WTF do u guys think of this. About the same weight as my PM9 and smaller but 2 shots, even as a 45 is that enough, I would think this gun would bounce one around lkke a rubber ball to. No reports on it aht I have found. One think about itk, THERE WILLBE NO MAGAZINE ISSUES at all!!!!!

This little Frankengun? http://www.heizerfirearms.com/

I still think I'd rather have 7 solid rounds of .380 w/out needing to reload. Just me.

[Markis82]

oik gun nuts, I just seen in the NRA magazine someone is offering a 2 shot 45 pocket rocket that holds 2 spasres in the grip. No price given. WTF do u guys think of this. About the same weight as my PM9 and smaller but 2 shots, even as a 45 is that enough, I would think this gun would bounce one around lkke a rubber ball to. No reports on it aht I have found. One think about itk, THERE WILLBE NO MAGAZINE ISSUES at all!!!!!I saw a promo on that gun. I had 1 thought about it... This is a 3 step gun. Step 1 - 1 good double tap. Step 2 - Through the empty gun at your attacker. Step 3 - If step 1 & 2 fail, run like hell.

[dshideler]

Goofy looking thing. Looks like a double barrel flare gun.

[jocko]

ain't cheap in price either. glad they rounded off the sights though as that way it won't feel to bad when u miss twice and the BG shoves it up ur ass.

[JFootin]

oik gun nuts, I just seen in the NRA magazine someone is offering a 2 shot 45 pocket rocket that holds 2 spasres in the grip. No price given. WTF do u guys think of this. About the same weight as my PM9 and smaller but 2 shots, even as a 45 is that enough, I would think this gun would bounce one around lkke a rubber ball to. No reports on it aht I have found. One think about itk, THERE WILLBE NO MAGAZINE ISSUES at all!!!!!

Jocko, you ought to love that because it is ported! :D

[jocko]

http://www.heizerfirearms.com/


If u go to this site and watch their video it will alsp pop up some other videos that one can watch and oine of them is with the PM9 barrel work in the cm9 kahrs. It is a 12 minuted video and the shooter really puts in through his tests to. Yes the barrels will indeed interchanbge. They say proof is i the puddin, or something like that.:53:

[JFootin]

oik gun nuts, I just seen in the NRA magazine someone is offering a 2 shot 45 pocket rocket that holds 2 spasres in the grip. No price given. WTF do u guys think of this. About the same weight as my PM9 and smaller but 2 shots, even as a 45 is that enough, I would think this gun would bounce one around lkke a rubber ball to. No reports on it aht I have found. One think about itk, THERE WILLBE NO MAGAZINE ISSUES at all!!!!!

That looks like a quality made gun, and not cheap either. But ported or not, I can't imagine how punishing the recoil would be, even in 9mm, much less 45acp!!! :eek: You know that has GOT to hurt!!! :hurt:

Just two rounds, but you'd have to be quite the man to retrieve your arm from across the room and shoot the second round! Much less the other 2 rounds in the grip! And if you're like me and can't afford the 14 oz titanium one, you'll have to settle for the 12 oz aluminum one with even more jump to it!

I want to see ole Jeff at Gunblast shooting this little monster. I'll bet you'll have to measure the recoil with a yard stick, or maybe a 100' tape measure! It is scheduled for release in early 2012.

Now, this gives "Frequently carried, seldom fired." a brand new meaning! :blushing: But what a great BUG in your pocket when carrying a Kahr 45! For extreme backup only!

One nice thing if you have plenty of money is to buy a 9mm barrel assembly and use it for the range. Less recoil and cheaper ammo.

[dirtengineer]

So did Kahr make the CM9 for people who could not afford a PM9? :eek:

I think they made the CM9 for folks like me. I can afford more expensive firearms, but my priorities in life cause me to search for value. So I own a Taurus instead of a Beretta, for instance. My primary centerfire rifle is a model 700 ADL synthetic and my primary shotgun is an Remington 870 magnum synthetic. All plain Jane.

Simply put, the price point of the CM9 put it in a realm where I was willing to purchase it. Cheaper than a glock (and smaller), higher quality than a PF9 or LC9 (and doesn't have the crappy extraneous safeties).

[Ubaldo99]

Way to go, JFootin! You are the champion of all us downtrodden CM9'ers! Give 'em hell, big guy! :D

[harrydog]

Just my random thoughts on the subject.
Kahr obviously made the CM9 so they could sell more guns. It opened up the door for people who either couldn't afford or just couldn't justify the money for a PM9.
The CM9 is made to a price point, but I'm sure Kahr would not have brought the CM9 to market if they couldn't maintain the reliability and functionality of the PM9. After all, reputation is everything.
Personally I prefer the PM9. I really like the idea of the Lothar Walther barrel. Very high quality.
http://www.lothar-walther.de/387.php
I like steel sights and I like the machined slide stop. And there is the extra magazine. To me it is worth the extra cost. To many others it is not.
I really don't think there is any snobbery going on with most PM9 owners. That's common in the world of custom 1911's but not so much here.
But I notice far more CM9 owners seemingly trying to justify their purchase by pointing out that the PM9 is a waste of money, with expensive features that are not needed, implying that the CM9 owner is the more knowledgable, savvy buyer. Reverse snobbery.
My guess is the CM9 is out selling the PM9 by a wide margin, so Kahr has succeeded at what they set out to do with the CM series.

[Chogers]

Just my random thoughts on the subject.
Kahr obviously made the CM9 so they could sell more guns. It opened up the door for people who either couldn't afford or just couldn't justify the money for a PM9.
The CM9 is made to a price point, but I'm sure Kahr would not have brought the CM9 to market if they couldn't maintain the reliability and functionality of the PM9. After all, reputation is everything.
Personally I prefer the PM9. I really like the idea of the Lothar Walther barrel. Very high quality.
http://www.lothar-walther.de/387.php
I like steel sights and I like the machined slide stop. And there is the extra magazine. To me it is worth the extra cost. To many others it is not.
I really don't think there is any snobbery going on with most PM9 owners. That's common in the world of custom 1911's but not so much here.
But I notice far more CM9 owners seemingly trying to justify their purchase by pointing out that the PM9 is a waste of money, with expensive features that are not needed, implying that the CM9 owner is the more knowledgable, savvy buyer. Reverse snobbery.
My guess is the CM9 is out selling the PM9 by a wide margin, so Kahr has succeeded at what they set out to do with the CM series.

Very well put Harry! I like the reverse snobbery comment! Dont justify why you bought your CM9...just say hey its a Kahr. Nuff said!