Help with my K9

[Sap]

Ok guys I need help. Just got this K9 brand new and one thing noticed is that the K9 ejects the brass really weak. It throws throws the caseses about a foot or so and mostly into my face. I inspected the extractor and it seems like its not under any tension. I would describe it as mushy. Again this gun is brand new. Here's a picture
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee462/sap169/22ef2db9.jpg
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee462/sap169/ffe9c6a6.jpg
In the first pic I pushed the extractor out with my finger and it sticks. The second is where I pushed it back

[jocko]

I think u mean extractor not ejector, but if I am looking right is that extractor actuqally sticking out of the slide? If so that is not right and something is missing inside the estractor channel. Those extractors are damn tight to even attempt to move.

What u might do is if u feel industrious is take the slide apart and the extracot chanbnel and see if all the parts are there like i the parts manual and if by chance there is some goop or crude in that channel that is not letting the extracotr work like it shoud. U ight even first take a can of spraytcleaner and just spray like hell right behid that extractor on the outside of the slide and seeif that helps any.

If u bought it locally, I would also consider taking it back to the dealer and let him trouble shoot the issue, with direct reference to that area to. If they have a smitty they can do it in house for you. Last resort is to send it back ad then I think u caneven just send the slide itself back to kahr regular mail for about $8 and u willgetit back in a few days also..

keep us posted.

Thereis a nice slide tutorial over on the kahr tech section and it shows how easy it is to take the slide apart to..

excuse me if I am drolling, as I notice u have the dlc finsih black slide and to me that is the "cream de mint" of kahrs..

[ripley16]

I agree. There is something broken or wrong with one or more of the four pieces that make up the extractor assembly. Normally it is quite difficult to move the extractor as it is under considerable spring pressure.

The parts are pretty cheap if some or all need replacing and the process is fairly simple to dismantle the slide. Here's the link to the GlockTalk thread.
http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=197

Follow the link found on the above link.

The last post on the GlockTalk thread has an excellent PDF that shows how to work on the slide. Go down a few posts on the KahrTalk thread to see the handy-dandy, easy to make tool to hold the striker spring at bay. I think I'll call it Ripley's Retractor, (patent pending ;) of course).

[Sap]

Thanks guys. Sorry, I meant extractor:). I tore down the slide and checked the extractor/spring assembly, cleaned everything, put it back together and it still has no tension. I figure something is out of spec maybe the extractor spring? Hoping kahr will just send me the parts. I would hate to have to send it in.

[yqtszhj]

It looks almost like the spring is missing or something.

[Sap]

I know right? I assure you guys, all the parts are there. It just doesn't work. My luck sucks…gonna call Kahr in the morning and see what they say. Hoping it's any easy fix with new parts.

[gb6491]

Just curious, can you push the long front pin, spring, and short back pin all the way through the slide (in one hole, out the other) without any type of binding?
Regards,
Greg

[Sap]

Good question. I when I disassembled it I pushed everything out the rear of the slide. I didn't think to check if there was any binding the other direction.

[Sap]

Trying not to get too frustrated here. The K9 is my grail off duty pistol. I want it to be totally reliable.

[jocko]

If all 4 parts are in that extractor channel and installed propery, there has to be some extracor pressure. seems to me like there could be an obstruction in the extractor channel. I think u noticed when u took the extractor area aparet that the rod that makes contact with the extractor itself has a beveled end on one end. That hasto go to the extractor side. If not installed that way where the extrractor side beveled part and the rod beveled part mate up correctly, u can get a dead extractor with no pressure even though all 4 parts ar ein the channel.

[JFootin]

I think Jocko might have just solved this!

[Sap]

I put it back with the beveled side facing inward (so that it can't be seen when installed) and it's still dead. That's how I received the pistol. I'm gonna mess with it some more tomorrow after I call Kahr. Is it possible that the spring is too short and not producing enough tension?

[Sap]

When I took the assembly out, there was all kinds of gunk and metal shavings in the slide. I cleaned it all out and reassembled it.

[ripley16]

Is it possible that the spring is too short and not producing enough tension?

That would be my guess. I just measured the spring in my K9. It is about 25/32" long.

[Sap]

Now Im more puzzled. That's the length of my spring. Now what?

[jocko]

Now Im more puzzled. That's the length of my spring. Now what?

callto kahr is needed Ask for Jay. sojething is not right inside that extractor channel.

[Sap]

Each pin along with the spring move through the channel with very little effort.

[Sap]

Any chance someone can post a close up of their pistol with a close up of the slide on the ejection side?

[JFootin]

Go to this thread and click on the link to a PDF doc over on Glocktalk: http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?p=117224#post117224

What Jocko was saying is the longer pin that sits right behind the extractor has a front and back side to it and the beveled end has to match up with the extractor. Your reply wasn't clear if you had checked this.

[jocko]

one more thing. with just the extractor in the gun and no springs, when it drops in that hole, can u then kinda move the extractor in and out . Thereshold be some left to right movement.

[Sap]

Sorry. Been to that link several times, even printed off for future reference. I have it installed correctly. Probably going to have to ship this back to Kahr. Here's what is going on though. I'm assuming that either part 25 or 24 is out of spec. When I put the extractor assembly together I can put pressure on part 27 and 26 and compress the spring the entire way. While doing this, I'm still able to move the extractor easily with my finger. There is nothing hanging up in the channel.

[Sap]

one more thing. with just the extractor in the gun and no springs, when it drops in that hole, can u then kinda move the extractor in and out . Thereshold be some left to right movement.

Yes sir there is some movement with just the extractor sitting in the slide with no spring.

[Sap]

Pic of it installed
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee462/sap169/5b5642c6.jpg

[jocko]

damn,, what the hell!!! I have zero clue

[Sap]

Guys, I really appreciate all the help. Gonna call Kahr first thing in the AM and go from there.

[jocko]

keep the faith, u got a dandy k9, JUST GOT a damn bug in it somewhere. Normally kahrs extractors are just damnnear impossable to evenmove with ones fingers and ur first photos shows it sticking out like a sore thumb even. Do u feel or sense any burr in the extractor cut out area where it actually lies. It should move freely with no spring in there.

[Sap]

It seems to move pretty free whithout the rest of the assembly in there. Seems pretty smooth when removing it also. I have no doubt Kahr will take care of it. Just sucks sending a brand new gun back.

[Sap]

Good news is, I could probably disassemble and reassemble this thing in my sleep.

[JFootin]

Well, its good for Kahr to look at it and fix it. Who knows, maybe there is something out of spec with the channel in the slide and it needs a new slide. Whatever it is, I'm sure they will get it fixed.

[jocko]

let kahr have a look at it.u might jut be able to send the slide in. If they want the entire gun, then ask them to issue u a pick up on it.U might pop for sending the slide in for regualr mail u can do thyat cheaper than waiting for a pickup even.

Just not sure anyone on this fourm can add to what we have already ask of you, U did all u can..

[gb6491]

...
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee462/sap169/22ef2db9.jpg
...In the first pic I pushed the extractor out with my finger and it sticks. The second is where I pushed it back
With all the recent dis-assembly/assembly are you still able to get it to stick like this?
Regards,
Greg

[Sap]

Yep. There is no tension on the extractor and I can't figure why.

[Sap]

I'm gonna do one more thing in the AM. My buddy has a K9 and I'm gonna see if his extractor assembly works in my slide.

[jocko]

ok, now ur thinkin. u will let us know now won't u..

[ripley16]

When I reassemble the parts and the last short round rod is inserted into the channel, it is about flush with the rear of the slide. The entire assembly must be tightly compressed that 3/8" or so needed to slide the rear cover plate back on. Is your assembly going back in a similar fashion?

A pic of all the parts.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/Kahrextractor004.jpg

[Sap]

Yep put back together several times. No dice…dead extractor. I'll let you guys know what I find when I switch parts with my buddy. He's on his way now

[Sap]

Well guys I put my buddy's extractor assembly in my slide and it fit and functioned flawless. Very tight. I did not shoot it but it was very tight in my slide. The extractor fit my slide very nice as well. I took a pic so you guys can see the fit of my buddy's k9 compared to mine.
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee462/sap169/71d303ba.jpg

[jocko]

PM sent
nice work sap


question, did by any chance u try your bad parts in his slide with the same negative results? That would have surely eliminated it down to bad extractor.

[ripley16]

Looks like your buddy has an early K9 or even a E9. Are you able to tell which part is the cause of the looseness?

[Sap]

My parts were put in his slide. Still a dead extractor

[wyntrout]

The extractor must be out of tolerance, if the other things look okay... the two pins' lengths and the spring.

Wynn

[Sap]

By the way, his is a K9. It was done over by Wilson combat. It is so bad ass!!!!!

[Foggy]

I'm sorry Sap, but after that comment I'm afraid we're gonna need some pics or as they say it just didn't happen. I for one would like to see a bad ass Kahr that Wilson Compact did a makeover on. Enclosed is a pic of my K9 that Robar did some work on for me4978

[Sap]

I'm sorry Sap, but after that comment I'm afraid we're gonna need some pics or as they say it just didn't happen. I for one would like to see a bad ass Kahr that Wilson Compact did a makeover on. Enclosed is a pic of my K9 that Robar did some work on for me4978

He's actually thinking of selling it. It's from the late 90's I think? I'll do my best to hook up with him and get a couple pictures. It's the nicest K9 I've ever laid eyes on. The slide to frame fit is as smooth as a custom 1911. No surprise from Wilson.

[Sap]

As far as my K9 is concerned, Kahr took care of me and hopefully it will up and running by Christmas. I will surely report back

[gb6491]

By the way, his is a K9. It was done over by Wilson combat. It is so bad ass!!!!!
http://i44.tinypic.com/selyth.jpg
Regards,
Greg

[JFootin]

http://i44.tinypic.com/selyth.jpg
Regards,
Greg

I guess the old saying, "If you need to ask, you can't afford it." holds true here?

[gb6491]

I guess the old saying, "If you need to ask, you can't afford it." holds true here?
That's part of a screen capture from the Kahr website, circa 1999:
http://wayback.archive.org/web/19970801000000*/http://www.kahr.com/
I imagine there was some type of agreement in place in regards to producing these, but I wonder if Wilson would do something similar today if enough incentive was thrown their way.
Regards,
Greg

[MW surveyor]

If not, and you had plenty of money you could send it to Gunsmoke in Colorado! They'll put a hurt'n on you, but.......................................they'll deliver it by helicopter! ROFLMAO

[Sap]

Thats the one fellas. Told you it was sweet. Words can't describe the way that K9 feels in your hand.

[Foggy]

Yep. That is sweet. Mine has pretty much the same mods except done in reverse two tone by Robar Guns. Rogard on the frame and NP3 on the slide & all internals. In addition they installed an elite trigger, performed trigger job, rounded & smoothed the trigger face, polished the feed ramp and throated the barrel, complete dehorn, bullnosed front of slide, bevelled mag well and even refinished two of my mags in NP3 also. Price for all that was actually quite reasonable considering you get a gun back that you love now and couldn't live without instead of a gun that you just like. Everyone who has handled my K9 says the same thing. That is the most awesome Kahr they have ever seen. What started the whole project was the blue on the original K9's was horrible and I just did not like the NYPD trigger at all. Enclosed is another pic in an Alessi PSS holster. http://img.tapatalk.com/4a2f6e62-33dd-2827.jpg

[Sap]

Ok guys, I now have a new extractor assembly in my K9. I did not shoot it yet however the new parts seem to be functioning much better. I'm excited to go shoot it, probably won't be till Monday or Tuesday. I'll let you know how it goes. Again, thanks for all the help.

[Sap]

Took my K9 out, in the pooring rain, today. Put about 75 rounds through it. 50 rounds of American Eagle 115gr and about 25 rounds of Speer Golddot 124gr. The gun ran flawless. The extractor worked as it should, ejecting the brass a few feet off to my right instead of in my face. I love this gun!!! Very happy with it.

[Bawanna]

Good deal. I love happy endings.

[Sap]

Put some rounds through my K9 the other day. Had a couple random premature slide locks. The weird thing is that the WWB and the AE 115gr was the only ammo to cause it. I have yet to have my Speer GD 124gr ammo cause the slide to lock back. Each time the slide locked back I stopped and made sure it wasn't the rounds nose diving causing a ftf issue. It was def a slide lock issue. Anyway, I got out the file and got to work. So far I appear to have plenty of clearance even with 147gr rounds. I have inspected AE 147 flat tip ammo, 147gr Federal HS, 124gr Federal HST, and 124 Speer GD. The round with the least amount of clearance was the Federal HST 124gr. After some filing they all seem to have pretty good clearance. Ialso still have plenty of contact with an empty magazine. Will let you know how she does at the range.