PM45 going back to Kahr (photos)

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Originally Posted by gj47

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Also notice the casing has gouges on the sides from impact against the mag. It appears that the firing pin was dragged across the primer creating a smear. I did not notice this fast enough to check the other cases I fired earlier.
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I called Kahr from the range and they are sending me a call tag out. I will update when I get this back to the range. I guess having a off duty pistol will have to wait for a while. Other than those issues the pistol felt great and shot well. No live ammo jammed.

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Almost the same issue I was dealing with. It took two trips but it seems that Kahr made it right. I took my P45 to the range yesterday and didn't get a single FTE.

if I'm not mistaken, those appear to be completely normal primer indents for Kahr pistols... it's mentioned either in the manual itself, or in the FAQ's on the Kahr website.

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Originally Posted by mr surveyor

if I'm not mistaken, those appear to be completely normal primer indents for Kahr pistols... it's mentioned either in the manual itself, or in the FAQ's on the Kahr website.

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X2 on the primer indents. I was concerned when I saw that at first but has since been told that it's normal with striker fire type pistols.

The tear drop pin strike on the primer is normal. Mine looks like that. At least in the PM9 owner's manual it says so. Look in your owner's manual.

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Originally Posted by deadhead1971

The tear drop pin strike on the primer is normal. Mine looks like that. At least in the PM9 owner's manual it says so. Look in your owner's manual.

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glock 19 shows the same mark.

Thanks guys I'll check it out. I know 1911s showing this is a problem as it reflects the gun coming out of battery with the striker proturding. This isn't like a primer strike from a glock. Those primer strikes look a little different and don't have the raised primer smear, if you will. I've got many thounsands of rounds through my glocks so I am used to those strikes.

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Originally Posted by gj47

Thanks guys I'll check it out. I know 1911s showing this is a problem as it reflects the gun coming out of battery with the striker proturding. This isn't like a primer strike from a glock. Those primer strikes look a little different and don't have the raised primer smear, if you will. I've got many thounsands of rounds through my glocks so I am used to those strikes.

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Looks normal for a Kahr and your absolutely correct, looks nothing like a Glock.

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Originally Posted by gj47

I just took my new PM45 to the range for quals and initial break in. Ammo used was Speer Lawman 230gr TMJ and Speer 230gr Gold Dot. Several things occured and I inclued some photos.
Zero rounds fired showing the dent in the upper portion of the guide spring tunnel.
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Same after 120 rounds.
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The majority of empties struck my helmet above my right eye in the forehead area. I have nicks in my helmet and a black mark on my face to prove it. After 100 rounds of ball I thought switching to the gold dots might have an effect. I still got hit and two same malfunctions occured.
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The malfunctions occured on the last round fired and cannot be cleared quickly. Notice that the casing was pulled into the mag feedlips and wedged into mag and ejection port area. The mag cannot be removed until the casing is pried out. The feed lips of this mag are now bulged about 6 thousandths. Below will be a couple of more pics.

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Are you using a shock buffer on the recoil spring guide rod? If you are it can shorten the slide travel just enough to cause that type of jam. I had the exact same problem with my Colt Combat Commander as you are having and it was caused by the shock buffer, removed the shock buffer and problem solved.

Sent my PM45 back to Kahr for it's second "tune-up" on Monday and had it back on Wednesday. She's a gem now...

Best of luck to you with yours...

No shock buffer. I am a 1911 guy too and don't believe in they are needed in any properly tuned pistol for the same reasons you stated. The jam picured above is a serious one as it is not just slide movement but the extractor pulling the case back through the feed lips of the mag.

My call tag never arrived yesterday so I'll be calling on Moday to try and set something else up. Glad to hear Varoadking got a quick turnaround.