Has anybody tried Mag Safe Ammo?

[JFootin]

Our bullet testing expert, Ljutic, posted results from his test of MagSafe ammo. I am impressed! It proves that this ammo performs as advertized. Here it is:

MagSafe 9mm Defender Clear Gel Test

[Brian Edwards]

Let me just say at the beginning, I have not read the entire thread. I'm not going to try because there is too much inaccurate posting on the first page that any hope for the follow along pages being correct is practically nil.

There seems to be a great deal of people who don't know anything about terminal ballistics, that are commenting as if they do. People quoting energy numbers, as if that has any bearing on what makes a good handgun rounds. People quoting Marshall and Sanow's bogus One Shot Stop statistics. People mentioning of all things the Strassberg Tests. Folks, stop it.

You need to understand how to interpret shots fired into properly calibrated ballistic gelatin. You need to understand that FPE is not a wounding factor in handgun rounds, and why. Marshall and Sanow's One SHot Stop books and numbers have been efficiently and totally destroyed. The Strassberg Tests still have not been proven to have been held, and may be a work of fiction brought forth by an unscrupulous gun writer.

So I'm going to provide you some links. Many of them will come from the same website, as that happens to be where they are cached.

First and foremost is Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness. Written by an FBI Special Agent in the late 80's, it is the Holy Grail of terminal ballistics papers, and has withstood the test of time. If you cant bother to read 25 pages, don't bother to respond.

http://firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm

The next link shows gelatin shots and explains what is a wound and what is not. This is by one Dr Gary K Roberts (DDS, USNR LtCMDR, PAPDR, etc).

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=22323


As for Marshall and Sanow, the old International Wounds Ballistics Association, comprised of Combat Surgeons, Trauma Surgeons, Medical Examiners, Coroners, Police officers, EMTs from all over the world did a thorough and complete job of debunking them.

http://firearmstactical.com/afte.htm

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs8.htm

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs12.htm

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs24.htm

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs31.htm


If more proof was needed as to why FPE is not a wounding factory in service pistol ammunition, here's yet another data point:

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs3.htm


Moving on to the subject at hand, here is why MagSafe is garbage, and shouldn't be trusted for defense of your life, or others:

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs5.htm

http://firearmstactical.com/tactical...article432.htm


Lets see who actually takes the time to read and learn, who prefaces their response with "I'm not going to read all of that" and then offers a weak excuse, and who will just do the internet equivalent of "nuh-uh!".

[ltxi]

Let me just say at the beginning, I have not read the entire thread. ..........

.............Lets see who actually takes the time to read and learn, who prefaces their response with "I'm not going to read all of that" and then offers a weak excuse, and who will just do the internet equivalent of "nuh-uh!".

How 'bout long put to rest and it's not clear anyone really cared all that much to begin with?

Hope all that didn't exceed your attention span.